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  2005 - The year the Society began its decline (without anyone noticing)!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.

  hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.

  the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  jws, I disagree. With the pentration of high speed access and the ubiquity of internet access and computer technology, more people, more numbers of people are online.

  I agree with Baltar on this one. The availability of information at home on the internet is major. I remember going into a Christian book store in the 80's and asking for Crisis of Conscience. The lady went into their back room and found a copy and said, "The Lord must have wanted you to have this, as it is the only one we have." I still remember the cold sweat I broke into as I started to read it when I got in the car. I sat there in the car for about an hour. The point is that it was hard to get the anti-JW information back then... the internet has changed everything. The Society's ability to propogandize has diminished with the ubiquity of internet access.

  On the flip side, there is also a potential for harm, as some extreme ideas that would never have reached the light of day have found victims thru the internet... think Heavens Gate in the 90's and that idiot from Norway that has been on the news recently
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  Cedar's 'Why The Watch Tower Society Is Already In Decline"

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  why the watch tower society is already in decline.

  good article, cedars.. http://www.freeminds.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3236:why-the-watch-tower-society-is-already-in-decline&catid=31:governing-body&itemid=346.

  it's also on the front page of freeminds.org.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Nice job Cedars, keep it up.

  I think a 'tipping point' for the Witnesses, at least in the US, is when the number of ex-Witnesses ( or those who only associate thru family, but do not believe) exceeded the number of Witnesses. The Witnesses often cite the number of Memorial attenders as people who are 'waiting in the wings', interested people from the street. In reality, the vast majority of these Memorial attenders are former Witnesses, or family members who have come because of family considerations. They do not believe and will never believe. At the point when there are so many people who know enough about the religion to know that it is bull****, the religion has very limited growth potential.
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  Assembly Hall in Indianapolis for sale - $2,895,000

  by TJ Curioso in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  you can see this here:.

  http://image.exct.net/lib/fef71176746c00/d/2/1201%20n%20delaware%20st%204%20pg.pdf.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Why does it look like a government building?

  Not typical cookie cutter Witness architecture to be sure.

  I think I read that this building in Indianapolis was built in about 1910 by a religious organization, I forget which one. The Witnesses refurbished it. So being a historic building (also in a good location), they may get a lot of money for it.

  The plans announced last summer were that the Indianapolis, IN and London Ohio assembly halls would both be sold and a new 3000 seater built near Cincinnati. So far, beyond collecting money, there has been nothing done except put the for sale sign out in front of the building in Indy. They have not even purchased any land in the Cincy area yet. The whole deal is starting to sound fishy
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  Watchtower service bags deemed suspicious in Ohio and destroyed by police!

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

  1. social
  2. humour

  this is too funny.

  this article appeared in a columbus ohio news website today:.

  suspicious bags found in northeast columbus.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  This is too funny. This article appeared in a Columbus Ohio news website today:

  Suspicious Bags Found in Northeast Columbus

  COLUMBUS -- Several stores were evacuated Thursday after a suspicious briefcase and laptop bag were discovered at a shopping plaza.
  
  The items were discovered next to a parked car. The Giant Eagle and other stores at Stelzer and McCutceon Roads were evacuated.
  
  Members of the Columbus Bomb Squad were called to the scene to inspect the bags.
  
  Officers say the briefcase contained books. The contents of the laptop bag have not been revealed.
  
  No one was hurt.

  What isn't said is that the two bags contained Watchtower literature. A sister apparently had her car broken into and the thieves, after breaking the window, took the two bags, one of which looked like a laptop computer bag, but both bags were service bags full of literature. Once they learned that they were only books they discarded the bags at a shopping center parking lot. The sister, after calling the police, said "The bomb squad had to destroy our service bags, but at least we can get the books back." Geez, thanks!
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  New Rumor: Downsizing Circuits/Assemblies

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  heard a new rumor that:.

  the borg is going to phase out big district assemblies - so they can fit 'em in assembly halls.. they will reduce the size of circuits.

  they will synchronize c.o.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  This is no secret, as the announce plans here (southwest Ohio, USA) are that there will be a 3000 seat assembly hall will be built that will be used in summer months for district conventions.... it follows that there would be a re-assignment of congregations and circuits to have smaller district conventions.... nothing notable here... hardly worth mentioning
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  Will Embracing the Internet lead to Increased Growth for the Watchtower?

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  more important than the reduction in the size of the new magazine is that the watchtower will be actively promoting its website and encouraging people use it to download magazines.

  my concern is that this has the potential to lead to an increase in growth for the watchtower.. the door-to-door preaching work has been one of the most inefficient means imaginable to gain converts, and done little more than tie up the time of active jws.

  now, by directing people to the internet, witnesses can spread their message at an alarming rate for little cost.. do you feel that this has the potential to lead to a surge in growth of jehovah's witnesses?

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  My take is that the only reason they are directing Witnesses to the internet is so they will print out their own copies of the WT (and KM, until they get the bright idea to include the KM in the last 4 pages of the study WT). It's all driven by cost. I think the Society is really hurting for cash.
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  My Lord This Girl Is Hot, Somebody Please Tell Me Her Name!!!

  by Philadelphia Ponos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hate to start a "no room for george" type thread but i really need to no the name of this girl.. .

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  these sences are from the past episode of spartacus that aired on friday on starz..

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  A nice looking lady, I'd like to be friends with, yeah sure. Hot? Sorry, to each his own.
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  Defenders of Pastor Russell speak out on FREE MINDS' debunk

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://ctrussell.wordpress.com/2012/03/18/examining-freeminds-discover-the-legacy/#comment-1584.

  an article i wrote on charles taze russell, j.f.rutherford and fred franz for freeminds asserted that they were not professionals in their field.

  because they took the illegitimate course of self-proficiency.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  This statement:

  "Actually, Russell by-passed all of man’s theology to study the true foundation of the Christian religion, that is, that which is revealed in the Bible itself"

  is simply not true, and never was. Russell was a product of his times and inherited the theology he was exposed to, most notably the Adventist groups that grew out of the Millerites of the 1840's. Out of curiosity a number of years ago I purchased some books from one of the Second Adventist groups, and was a bit surprised to read nearly identical statements as the above concerning William Miller. He supposedly used just the Bible and the concordance to determine what the Bible taught on every subject, without respect to previously conceived doctrine.

  Russell must have been very charismatic in person, but I think his success resulted from his writing skill, which was quite good. For instance, the Divine Plan was easy to read and made sense to the readers of the time period. Compare the Divine Plan to, say, the Three Worlds <snore>, which was written by Barbour and there is no comparison.
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  Another WT property for sale, from the Indianapolis Star

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  there's also the assembly of jehovah's witnesses, 1201 n. delaware st. it's a majestic, century-old house of god, fronted by enormous stone pillars that would give samson pause.. .

  it was built in 1912 by christian scientists who, when they moved on, sold it to baptists.

  the baptists moved on in the 1970s and sold it to jehovah's witnesses.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  This has been commented on before, as it was planned last year to sell the Indianapolis and London Ohio assembly halls:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/212673/1/London-Ohio-and-Indianapolis-Assemby-Halls-to-be-sold

  To my knowledge the assembly hall in London Ohio is not for sale yet, nor has there been a purchase of land for the 3000-seat assembly hall that will be in the Cincinnati Ohio area
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  [MP3] The District Conventions from the 1950s to the 2010s

  by possible-san in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  well, if you click the "theme" of each talk, you can listen to the talk by mp3.. in particular, with respect to the mp3s of the dcs in 2010 and 2011, you can listen to most of them.. .

  http://www.centralprint.net/jwtalks/dc/conventions.html.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Thanks for posting this, brings back a lot of memories, not all good.

  One observation that I find incredible. For a couple of the conventions it gives the attendance and number baptized:

  1953 , attendance 126,387, baptisms 4640 ; 3.7% of attendees getting baptized

  1958 attendance 118463 (not sure if this was the entire attendance or not) , baptisms 7136 ; 6.0%

  Odd, the last small circuit assembly I saw had attendance of 750, baptisms 1 ; 0.13%

  Baptisms are at a dead crawl compared to the old days. How things have changed.