Posts by nateb

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If you watch this you will definitely believe in God

by mankkeli in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yum__dm_dwg&feature=related.

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nateb

Yep. I'm a believer now. The part about the "multiple streams of income" was especially moving.

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You might have a problem when the conversation ends with your wife walking away from you...fingers in her ears.....yelling " Jehovah help me! Jehovah help me!"

by oompa in

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but when they end like that three times....it's strike three... or maybe it was strike #3,333,333.......but it is sad and painful for us both i know.....a person must be in a very very bad place to act like that in front a man you have loved and been intimate with for 15 years....and at that moment i am satan in front of her....a begging pleading attempting to reason satan...but still satan to her and her friends.....but this nice woman needs satan out of her life now....oompa.

i am not a bad person...i am not satan...i asked her why she thought i had tried so hard....told her that if she was in a burning building just how hard would she think i would try to get her out??

she did not like that analogy either...so i have started the painful process...the building is going to burn to the ground now....and i will never put her through that fingers in ears thing again.... and i will be fair and reasonable....and pay her the alimony and give her half....i could so be a satan to her in divorce....but i won't!...i can at least prove to them all that i am decent man...and not mentally diseased or satan.....and ahhhhh i feel good about that....plus both my boys are free now...

nateb

Very sorry, sir.

"Nothing happens to any man which he is not formed by nature to bear"- Marcus Aurelius

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Don't make the same mistake I did

by Terry in

in 1974 i had moved to california from texas and my nowhere jw janitor job to a real career in a field i loved.

(art).

i had packed my jw wife and 3 kids in my 1970 ford maverick and drove into the unknown.. mind you, this was on the very eve of a very "important date in human history".

nateb

Thank you for this, Terry. I got my son out. The most important accomplishment of my life. I'll probably never be quite right thanks to the scars of life in a cult but he's got a shot and his kids will too even moreso.

As for beating yourself up, you did exactly what you could've been expected to given all that you'd experienced and been exposed to. That's all any of us do.

With love and respect.

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Steve Jobs message @ death. ALL JWS NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS!!!

by itscrap&theyknowit! in

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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/tech/2011/10/06/jobs-stanford-commencement-dying.cnn?hpt=hp_t1.

i cried when i watched this.

the message: don't let another human's opinion ruin your life!

nateb

When I die, when I die
I'll rot
But when I live, when I live
I'll give it all I've got

Sufjan Stevens

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I want to be a Jehovah's Witness again...

by TimothyT in

... so i can flippin help tear it down from the inside!.

nateb

You're working through the phases nicely, Tim. Soon you'll have most of it out of your system and you'll find the spirituality you seek within yourself and you'll settle down with some nice boy. It's not selfish to simply work hard and be happy, no matter what they told us. Happy positive authentic people bring more of the same to those that they touch. That's enough. You're getting there quickly. Congratulations.

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Abraham convinces Jehovah not to blow up Sodom....why is God such an Angry Bastard who needs advice?

by Witness 007 in

in genesis jehovah tells abraham he's going to nuke sodom off the map, but the more reasonable then god abraham says "please jehovah do not get hot with anger with me, but what if three men who are good ae found in sodom....." etc etc.

so here we have a god being given good, merciful advice from his servant abraham.....personally i would rather worship abraham, praise his holy name...jehovah can burn in hell!!!!

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nateb

According to Jeremiah 18, God can do whatever he wants to with his human creation. He can kill them at will. Take for example the time he killed 70,000 men to punish King David for taking an illegal census.

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I've lurked a long time: JW's produce some of the most paranoid humans

by Unlearn in

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i'll keep this brief for now.. long time lurker (4 years or so).. born-in, elder, used on district level (last talk i gave before i left was the baptisimal talk), and lots of hard time put in...before i finally made the move to split.

it's a long stoy, much like many of yours...but with it's own little interesting twists.

more details in the future, perhaps.. as i said, ive lurked here for a while.. its funny: for a long time i'd only come on late at night.

nateb

Funny how similar so many of our stories are. I was also a once terrified lurker. Also gave the baptismal talk at the district level. A complete atheist/agnostic when I gave it. I wonder if those baptisms stuck or if they need a redo. Ha ha Glad you kept your wife. I lost mine. Welcome to independent thinking. It's messy but it's the only way to go. Best wishes.

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I just can't do this anymore

by Awen in

dear friends:.

for years now after my exit from the wtbts i have searched for god.

as i have previously mentioned in other threads i looked into many other religions, including druidry, zen and tibetan buddhism (not really a religion), asatru, native american shamanism, kemetic orthodoxy, gnosticism and pandeism.

nateb

Something that has been on my mind as of late is that it seems religion can separate us from our humanity. What I mean is we have different sects, denominations etc that instead of bring us together seem to push us farther apart. In the grand scheme of things it should be the opposite and for some it is. But overall many of us allow the trappings of our beliefs to look down on our neighbors or to see them as "bad" because of perceived "sin". When I was a JW I felt that way. I felt that the world was going to end and there wasn't anything I could do about it but hope that those who heard "the message" would repent, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah.

In hindsight I realize that I didn't have enough faith. Not in an invisible god but rather in my fellow human beings. Religion teaches us that we're simply not good enough. It teaches us that we're all little children playing in the dirt and that we need a parent figure to guide us. Yet that parent figure can't be bothered to show up or do anything unless it suits them (not at all what one would expect from a loving parent).

It has been said on these forums that in order to have a relationship with God we must follow a set of beliefs who's correctness is often in doubt. Seems to me the best thing we can do is love one another, without regard to race, religion, nationality or whatever. It's as plain as the nose on your face, yet still people hold hatred in their hearts for those who do not share the same religious viewpoint.

One thing I do believe as far as religion is concerned is that in our quest to know if god exists we have lost faith in each other. We look to our parent figure to get us out of messes, rather than to ourselves and each other.

I'm going to save this. We are all that we have. We are all that we need.

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Favorite album cover art

by littlerockguy in

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one thing i miss about not buying vinyl now is the artwork on the album cover.

post some of your favorite album covers.

nateb

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Favorite album cover art

by littlerockguy in

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one thing i miss about not buying vinyl now is the artwork on the album cover.

post some of your favorite album covers.