so when was jesus begotten.
was he truly and wholly fully human.
did he exist in two states, part human part god.
C'mon Slim', I'm perfectly aware of Christian belief as you know full well. I responded to an opening post (which is becoming a bit more common around here) where the supernatural is taken as a viable and sensible proposition, indeed reality has not even been offered as an option in this topic.
Well if reason and rationality can be ignored so blithely I can equally discount the religious nonsense on offer and state the simple facts as they are.
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so when was jesus begotten.
was he truly and wholly fully human.
did he exist in two states, part human part god.
Do you really need to be told how babies are made? Mary had sex with someone and 9 months later Jesus was born. He was a man like any other.
the bible does not say that god does not want to lie, but that he cannot lie or it is impossible for god to lie.
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so, if god cannot lie, for what purpose and why did he create creatures (satan, demons, humans) who can lie?.
Ah, that old chestnut. You'll be claiming I'm taking things out of context next.
the bible does not say that god does not want to lie, but that he cannot lie or it is impossible for god to lie.
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so, if god cannot lie, for what purpose and why did he create creatures (satan, demons, humans) who can lie?.
It actually gets worse for believers. Not only is God responsible for the first lie recorded in the Bible - which I guess makes him the 'father of the lie' - but the devil, Satan himself, consistently told the truth.
Don't believe me? Reread Genesis.
the bible does not say that god does not want to lie, but that he cannot lie or it is impossible for god to lie.
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so, if god cannot lie, for what purpose and why did he create creatures (satan, demons, humans) who can lie?.
tenyearsafter: the argument could be made that Adam did die within a creative day. Another view is he died the moment he sinned, because prior to that he had everlasting life. Once he sinned, he was dying. All very metaphorical!
I've heard all these justifications and excuses offered for sure but ultimately they are simply attempts to get around the plain fact that Adam and Eve did not die on the day they ate from the tree as God had said they would.
Think of it this way. You are a teenager whose mother is suffering from a particularly virulent form of cancer, all treatments have failed and you have been told she has less than a month to live. However, there is hope! A pioneering oncologist promises you, that if your mother agrees to an experimental new treatment she positively “will not die.”
You convince your still young but dying mother that this is her best hope. With nothing to lose she agrees to the treatment and lives on for another forty years! She’s with you at your graduation and on your wedding day. She’s a grandmother to your children and is even with you to enjoy a few years of your retirement. Finally, at a fair age in her mid eighties, your mother passes away. Would it be reasonable of you to label as a liar the oncologist who promised you four decades earlier that your mother would “not die”? After all, your aged mother is indeed now dead.
Preposterous isn’t it
At this point the you may be jumping up and down in protest and claiming that my analogy doesn’t fit. ‘But Adam and Eve were perfect’ you say. ‘They would have lived forever if they’d only been obedient.’ Oh really? Look again at the timeline of Genesis, when is everlasting life ever promised to that innocent couple in the Garden of Eden? It isn’t. There is nothing to indicate that Adam and Eve had any hope or knowledge that they might live forever. In fact, it appears to have been something deliberately denied to and kept hidden from them.
God lied.
the bible does not say that god does not want to lie, but that he cannot lie or it is impossible for god to lie.
.
so, if god cannot lie, for what purpose and why did he create creatures (satan, demons, humans) who can lie?.
And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Genesis 2:16,17 - American Standard Version
the bible does not say that god does not want to lie, but that he cannot lie or it is impossible for god to lie.
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so, if god cannot lie, for what purpose and why did he create creatures (satan, demons, humans) who can lie?.
Read Genesis, God told the very first lie.
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
With Kim's kind permission I've posted her documents along with a few explanatory paragraphs by Kim herself on the LE info blog.
Read (and share): https://lloydevans.info/all-categories/evans-history/m7-update
Kim, I've posted the documents in the order I received them. If it matters at all I can easily rearrange the order, just let me know.
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
Or maybe they can be hosted at lloydevans.info.
They certainly can. If anyone wants to PM me a link to the documents I'll host them.
uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.
ozziepost: Guilt? In some way he felt the need to confess.
I doubt that VERY much. https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/understanding-narcissism/202203/do-narcissists-feel-guilty-about-abusing-loved-ones?amp
