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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

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  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  FragrantAddendum: people keep lying about him

  I actually agree with this. "God is love" is one of the biggest lies ever told.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  Halcon: the snake was present when God gave Adam and Eve his instructions regarding all trees

  Incorrect. You're conflating two separate conversations, one that god had with Adam re the tree of knowledge and the second he had with deities unidentified about the tree of life.

  Or are you assuming that there were only two trees in this paradisaic garden?

  Why am I even indulging this nonsense? Oh right, I started the dumb thread.

  Sorry.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  If everlasting life really had been in store for Adam and Eve don't you think it would've been the first thing God would've told them they'd forfeited after eating the fruit?

  Details like the ground being harder to work and less productive, the newly introduced pain into childbirth and the dominance of a husband over his wife are all a bit grim but you'd think losing immortality might at least get a mention.

  Truth is that living forever was never held out as a prospect to these adult children. It was only ever mentioned in a private conversation amongst the gods afterwards as something to be withheld.

  Like the Truman Show.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  nicolaou

  Sea Breeze: Why have you chosen not to believe God?

  He kills innocent children. That's a big turnoff for me.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  nicolaou

  These are all attempts to get around the plain fact that Eve did not die as a result of eating from the tree as God had said she would.

  Think of it this way. You are a young woman whose mother is suffering from a particularly virulent form of cancer, all treatments have failed and you have been told your Mum has less than a month to live. However, there's hope! A pioneering oncologist assures you, promises you, that if your mother agrees to an experimental and untested new treatment she positively “will not die.”

  You convince your still young but dying mother that this is her best hope. With nothing to lose she agrees to the treatment and lives on for another forty years! She’s with you at your graduation and on your wedding day. She’s a grandmother to your children and is even with you to enjoy a few years of your retirement. Finally, at a fair age in her mid eighties, your mother passes away.

  Would it be reasonable of you to label as a liar the medical researcher who promised you four decades earlier that your mother would “not die”? After all, your aged mother is indeed now dead.

  Preposterous isn’t it?
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  nicolaou

  And as for the matter of the lie. It does not take thousands of years to eat an apple.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  nicolaou

  Suspend your disbelief for a moment and consider the details offered in Genesis. God created Adam, and after a short time creates Eve as a partner for him. The two of them have no human parents to nurture and guide them, no grandparents, no uncles or aunts, no experience of growing up with siblings or cousins, no friends, no schooling, no childhood memories to learn from. They are naive, uneducated and inexperienced. A five year-old child would be better prepared for life's challenges than Adam and Eve were. So, when faced with an obedience test is it any wonder that they failed at the first attempt? Especially considering that they were confronted with the master deceiver, Satan himself, who had eons to perfect his craft of deception. After all, he’d successfully convinced a third of the angels of heaven to disobey God so what chance did two human fledglings have?

  Surely God would have taken this into consideration right?

  No. A death sentence, banishment from paradise and a curse upon all their children. Thanks a lot God.
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  Who told the first lie?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

  god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

  in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

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  nicolaou

  This is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.

  So according to Genesis, who told the first lie? God told Eve that if she ate from the Tree of Knowledge she would die that very same day. In response to that statement the Devil told her she would not die.

  Eve ate from the Tree and did not die. God lied.
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  Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers

  by ukpimo in

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  2. bible

  big news.

  just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

  study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.

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  More than happy to continue the conversation re the first lie but seems impolite to derail this topic. I'll start a fresh one if no-one else does it first.
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  Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  big news.

  just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

  study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.

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  nicolaou

  @slimboyfat
  

  When we read the Devil's only conversation with Eve as recorded in Genesis 3:1-5 what do we find? That the Devil asked one question of Eve and made a few specific statements, all of which were completely true. The most important of those statements was a direct response to God's warning not to eat the forbidden fruit. God said; “because on the day you eat from it, you will die!” Satan’s response? “You won’t die.” Genesis 3:4 CEB

  So who was telling the truth? Did Eve die on the day she ate from the tree of knowledge? No. The Devil had told the truth, God had lied.