It certainly can't!
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nicolaou
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Charity & Politics Involvement ?
by KAYTEE in.
does anybody know whether a registered charity can also be involved in politics without losing it's charitable status.. thanks, kaytee.
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Me and my brother.
by nicolaou inan earlier discussion has been highlighting the differences between da'ing and df'ing.
xena said:i am sorry qadreena but i have never in the 20 some odd years i have been a jw ever heard of an unbaptised publisher being d/aed...marked as bad association yes..but d/a...no...but i guess stranger things can happen.... well that brought it all back.. actually xena the exact same thing happened to my brother in the early 80's.
he was only 14. he'd carried on associating with a friend of his who'd been disfellowshipped.
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nicolaou
Hi Almost There
Thanks for posting your story - sorry you've had to put up with so much grief, especially from your Dad. Hopefully it won't be too long before you can change your 'posting' name to Finally There.
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Me and my brother.
by nicolaou inan earlier discussion has been highlighting the differences between da'ing and df'ing.
xena said:i am sorry qadreena but i have never in the 20 some odd years i have been a jw ever heard of an unbaptised publisher being d/aed...marked as bad association yes..but d/a...no...but i guess stranger things can happen.... well that brought it all back.. actually xena the exact same thing happened to my brother in the early 80's.
he was only 14. he'd carried on associating with a friend of his who'd been disfellowshipped.
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nicolaou
Crazy isn't it? The 'Society' loads us with guilt while we're 'in' and then we load ourselves when we're 'out'.
COMF - how are things between you and your son now? Don't worry too much about "[filling] his head with cult bullshit" my Mum did that but I still love to her bits. I can see now how wrong she was but I also understand that she really was trying to do the best for us. I'm sure your son would feel the same way.
Hi Teejay. Sorry to hear about your sister. You're so right about some kids being 'made an example of'. I think that was a big factor with my brother. He could be a cheeky little git - he'd wind people up rotten and always do it with a grin on his face. Just like your sister, he wasn't seen as 'spiritual enough'. I think some of the elders just didn't know how to handle him and wanted him out of the way - it didn't matter that he wasn't even baptised.
It would be pointless for me to say 'let go of the guilt', it's up to you how you deal with it. All I will say is that I - and many others - know how you feel. Like you said, we just can't forget. We should just "get over it" / "let it go"... but still... (true words).
Thanks for your comments outoftheorg.
Yes the family is 'reunited' - sort of. My loyal JW sisters both know how 'spritually dangerous' I am and as their husbands are both elders I don't get to see them anywhere near as much as I'd like. Nor does my brother, he's 'too worldly'.Our family is as united as a broken vase. It's been repaired but you don't have to look too hard to see the cracks - it's just isn't the same as it used to be. And of course, just one more knock .............
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WHAT IS DEJA VU??
by Mary in.
i think everyone has had an experience with deja vu; i know i have and it's really freaky when it happens.
i'll be standing there talking to someone and that feeling comes over me that i've done this before; i've had the exact same conversation with this person and i can even predict what they're going to say.. with someone i know, that's one thing; having this experience with someone i've never met before is really bizarre.. i've heard all kinds of theorys as to what deja vu is: a "delay" in the brain, reincarnation, someone in the future has changed the past and we sometimes 'repeat' things, it's all in your head, it's satan.......... i'd be interested to hear what sort of experiences you've had with deja vu and what you think it is........ .
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nicolaou
I think everyone has had an experience with deja vu; I know I have and it's really freaky when it happens. I'll be standing there talking to someone and that feeling comes over me that I've done this before; I've had the exact same conversation with this person and I can even predict what they're going to say.
With someone I know, that's one thing; having this experience with someone I've never met before is really bizarre.
I've heard all kinds of theorys as to what deja vu is: a "delay" in the brain, reincarnation, someone in the future has changed the past and we sometimes 'repeat' things, it's all in your head, it's Satan.........
I'd be interested to hear what sort of experiences you've had with deja vu and what you think it is.......
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Hypothetical Situation
by TR inwhen you were a child, say, 6 to 10 years old, you were molested by a friend's dad several times.
suddenly, they move, not to be be seen again, until.... thirty five years later.
you see the perv with his son(your childhood friend) at a store.
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nicolaou
Kick the holy crap out of him and offer your defence in court!
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nicolaou
As judgemental as they are you clearly haven't given up on them - good for you man!
I'm embarrassed to say that I was a little like your older JW brother myself in the past. If you want to read it, here's the story of me and my brother: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=21351&site=3
Things worked out for us in the end, if you love someone you always have to hold on to that hope.
Good luck!
Nic'
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Mum guilty of 'Toilet Drowning' murder of newborn.
by nicolaou ini first posted this article on another site (i feel so dirty) where i was totally lambasted for my point of view.
this time i'm going to keep silent and listen to the rest of you.
just one question; how many victims are there?.
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nicolaou
Scully, you're right, this is a very sad story.
It would be wrong to ascribe all aberrant JW behaviour to Watchtower indoctrination and manipulation but by the same token it would be naive to think that it was not an influence at all.
Here are the original responses to RR first post of this story.
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Mum guilty of 'Toilet Drowning' murder of newborn.
by nicolaou ini first posted this article on another site (i feel so dirty) where i was totally lambasted for my point of view.
this time i'm going to keep silent and listen to the rest of you.
just one question; how many victims are there?.
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nicolaou
I first posted this article on another site (I feel so dirty) where I was totally lambasted for my point of view. This time I'm going to keep silent and listen to the rest of you. Just one question; How many victims are there?Nic'
Jurors Convict Mom Of Murder For Toilet-Drowning Infant
Juror Claims Panel Unaware They Had Other Options
POSTED: 2:39 p.m. PDT October 24, 2002
UPDATED: 2:46 p.m. PDT October 24, 2002
RIVERSIDE, Calif. -- Jurors who convicted a woman of second-degree murder in the toilet-drowning death of her newborn son may not have realized that they could have convicted her of involuntary manslaughter.
Donna Michelle Knight's sentencing was postponed for at least two months by Superior Court Judge Ronald Taylor so defense attorney Grover Porter can question jurors to determine if they misunderstood instructions. One juror claimed the panel didn't know involuntary manslaughter was an option.
Knight, 37, was convicted June 14 of murdering her son in September 1999. The 10-woman, two-man jury returned a second-degree murder verdict, which calls for 15 years to life in prison. Involuntary manslaughter carries a maximum sentence of four years.
Deputy District Attorney Deena Bennett had sought a first-degree murder conviction, arguing that the unmarried woman intentionally killed her baby after concealing her pregnancy because she was afraid of repercussions from her Jehovah's Witness church.
Bennett said the religion considers sexual relations outside of marriage grounds for excommunication.
Porter argued that Knight, who weighed at least 275 pounds, did not know she was pregnant and on the day of the baby's death she was taking antidepressants and other medication and could not remember what happened.
Although jurors were given an instruction for involuntary manslaughter, the foreman told them they could not consider that option, a juror said. Actually, it was voluntary manslaughter that was not to be considered.
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5-Year Survival Achieved
by Francois inthis week, i have passed the five years marking the removal of a malignant melanoma from my chest.
lesion 1.15 millimeters.
axiallia node dissections clear, wide local excisions clear.
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nicolaou
Good for you Francois!
Here's to a long and very happy future!
Nic'
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Place your bets please!!!
by nicolaou inthe 2002 service report will be out soon [trembles with anticipation].
last year we had 8730 memorial partakers, how many do you think we'll have now?
will a noticeable decline be a cause for excitement among the masses?
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nicolaou
"What do we win?"
As only the Almighty knows how many 'guests' are late for his boy's 'get-together', it becomes obvious that an individual or organisation who also knows must surely be that One's channel of communication at this time!Therefore, it seems but logical to conclude that any individual who thus proves his credentials, conclusively and beyond any doubt to all but the most reasonable and sane mind, must be one who fills the role of a prophet, in truth the Prophet of the Board!
To wit, only a genuine prophet is able to peer into the deeper things and bring forth truth.
JF[waking up and shaking head] . . . . Hell! I've been posting in tongues again.
Nic'