Duran. The god you worship permitted the killing of innocent children just to settle a wager.
Reflect on that.
nicolaou
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God won't lift a finger to help you.
by nicolaou insea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
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God won't lift a finger to help you.
by nicolaou insea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
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nicolaou
The story of Job is fascinating. It's the only account in the Bible where the devil kills anyone, in this case it's Job's ten children.
It's interesting because he couldn't actually touch them at all as God was protecting Job, his family and his possessions. They only became vulnerable when God accepted a bet with the devil and removed his protection.
God gave Satan a gun and Satan went a shootin'.
Imagine a family in the Witness Protection Scheme. If a police officer was persuaded by the family's aggressor to reveal the address of the safehouse what consequences would he face?
God on the other hand gets a free pass from unthinking, fundamentalists on this forum for behaving like an arsehole.
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Crisis of Conscience available for free on Audible
by nicolaou ini'm unclear on how this has been achieved or if permissions have been given.
presumably, audible (part of amazon) have their own procedures to ensure legality, but here it is nonetheless;.
listen to crisis of conscience - raymond franz by crisis of conscience - raymond franz on audible.
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nicolaou
I'm unclear on how this has been achieved or if permissions have been given. Presumably, Audible (part of Amazon) have their own procedures to ensure legality, but here it is nonetheless;
Listen to Crisis Of Conscience - Raymond Franz by Crisis Of Conscience - Raymond Franz on Audible. https://www.audible.co.uk/pd/B0BZ6ZW6L1?source_code=ASSOR150021221000N
The narrator is good although why he's presenting it as a podcast with each episode being one chapter rather than as a straight audiobook is beyond me.
Hopefully this is legit.
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God won't lift a finger to help you.
by nicolaou insea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
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nicolaou
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The fact that God doesn't align with what you believe God should be does not mean he doesn't exist.
This is true. It's also irrelevant to the discussion we're having. By all means, let's assume God exists.
Why doesn't he lift a finger to protect rape victims and abused children? Even I with my "limited comprehension of reality as a human being" can see that that isn't right.
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EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.
shame is an ancient form of control.
shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.
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nicolaou
@ Sea Breeze
If you're at all interested I'm continuing our conversation here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4807426121924608/god-wont-lift-finger-help-you -
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God won't lift a finger to help you.
by nicolaou insea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
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nicolaou
Sea Breeze: @nicolau,
I stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address. If you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what Jesus offers, then why don't YOU present that in a new topic?Pathetic diversion. We were discussing Gods refusal or inability to come to the aid of people with specific illnesses or those in imminent danger. Try to focus.
You have no way of knowing if this is true or not, (my claim that God won't lift a finger to protect you from an assailant or rapist) especially since you are an atheist.
Well excuse me but women and children, and to a lesser degree men, are raped and assaulted daily. That God didn't protect any of them proves my point. I DO know.
As you already know, the answer to evil is to either judge it or take away our free will, make us robots and prevent the possibility of evil. Over and over a man who predicted that he would die and raise himself from the dead, while he was dead, said that there would be a personal judgment for everyone. That is God's answer to the problem of evil. You just don't like it, even though you have no clue of a practical and acceptable alternative.
Wipe the spittle away Sea Breeze. That was just an incoherent, fundamentalist rant. Societies of all faiths and none have developed systems of justice for millennia. None of them are perfect but humanity does try. Unfortunately, evil will always be with us - anyone who claims otherwise is delusional.
Building on this ignorance, you "reason" that faith based addiction programs are a waste of time since evil still exists.
Actually no. Faith based addiction programs DO work. Faith IS powerful. But the credit for the success of these programs belongs to the individuals who engage with them. Doctors sometimes prescribe placebos. The patient doesn't know this but has faith in his doctor and the 'medicine' supplied and hey presto!; His condition improves.
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EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.
shame is an ancient form of control.
shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.
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nicolaou
Calm down Sea Breeze. I'll be happy to continue our conversation but I don't want to derail this topic, it's just impolite. If you'd care to continue just copy and paste your last comment as the opening post of a new topic.
I hope you do.
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EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.
shame is an ancient form of control.
shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.
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nicolaou
Sea Breeze:
no credit to God for victory over this or any other addiction
Riiiight. God will help you beat addiction but congenital diseases - not so much. Won't lift a finger to protect you from an assailant or rapist either.
God's got weird priorities.
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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!
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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.
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nicolaou
No doubt you're correct but here's the thing in Watchtowerland.
Nobody cares.
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What would happen if the religion just straight out gets outed as bad? The ORG admits to it and all the members get told to disperse
by Starlight.vee inlike the org just gives up and comes out saying that all of what they are saying is untrue and that there is no armageddon, nothing.
how do y’all think the the members still in it would react?.
there be a mental health crisis i perhaps.
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nicolaou
I mean, I'm no fan of Watchtower but comparing their output to Hitler's speeches? Really?
I actually think I could compare Jesus to a Nazi sympathiser Sea Breeze. Want me to elaborate?