Hi sister sickandtired,
We undrstand how you feel. It is not easy. If you ever get a chance, check out jwstruggle.com
Greybeard
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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.
by stuckinamovement ini have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.
in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.
even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.
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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.
by stuckinamovement ini have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.
in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.
even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.
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One more point,
The JW/org doesn't deserve any credit for training "Elders" who have finally learned the truth about the truth. The training the "Elders" recieve is to blindly follow the "slave" no matter what and NEVER question or investigate thier teachings. Do no research on the borg is their command and from what I hear, they have started to remove all old books from the Kingdom Halls.
So if you were a former "Elder" give credit to yourself for learning TTATT. (The Truth About The Truth) and most of all to your father in heaven (if you still believe in him)
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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.
by stuckinamovement ini have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.
in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.
even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.
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Good points Conan,
I like what you said here, " I agree that the women will hang in there longer than a man will. The socialization factor is certainly central. The second is that women will generally endure problems with their belief system longer than a man will."
That is so true in my opinion. Women in the congregation have to follow imperfect men everyday! some women go door to door everyday while few men show up. Then when they do, they must follow whatever bozo male is there no matter his age as long as he is baptized. A woman must mentally prepair herself for this male dominated org. I believe this is one of the reasons they are more likely to follow the JW/org right or wrong.
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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.
by stuckinamovement ini have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.
in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.
even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.
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Hi SIAM and thank you for the article!
I can totally relate to what you said and understand how you feel. However, I believe this scenario not only applies to "Elders" and their "wives" but all who were apart of the orginazation. Why do I say that? I never did aspire to become an "Elder" myself although I was probably more "qualified" than many I knew. I spotted the hypocrisy and arrogant self-righteous attitude of many "Elders" at a very young age. Even though I could see this hypocrisy I still believed this was "Gods organization" so being a JW was not easy for me. Much of the time I was depressed because of the things I saw in the org and the way I was treated by so called "Elders". I was related to many "Elders" and "Ministerial Servents". My father, father-in-law, brother were all elders. I soon figured out that I never wanted to be one and play that game. Even though this was my atitude I still was very active in service and was very good at the door believing I was taking part in a "life saving" work. I just figured God would take care of the hypocritical "Elders" in his own time and the "first will be last and the last first" in the end...
So what I am getting at is this is not only an "Elder" problem. My wife still believes in the JW/org and so do my children. I have noticed that there are also many women who have woke up on their own to the facts about JW's. I personally know of two women whose husband's were "Elders" and still believe the JW/org. Could it be that woman are more loyal in general? Has not the JW/org brain washed them into submiting to their husbands in everything? I know as a JW husband I myself blindly enforced my headship over my wife. Women are bombarded with this in the JW/org from all sides. They hear it from the platform at the hall and then they hear it at home and possibly more from a arrogant self-rightouse "Elder" who claims to be appointed by God. Now please do not get me wrong, I am not slaming you or anyone else who was an "Elder". I just feel that some who were former "Elders" still view themselves as different from the rest of us who were not. They seam to be proud of the fact they were "Elders". I am proud of the fact I never became one and chose not to play their hypocritical games.
With love for all here,
Your brother in Christ,
Greybeard
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New video on Watchtower history, very exposing!
by Greybeard inplease read this post and then watch the video http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/witness-history-and-christian-freedom/.
hope you enjoy!.
your brother in christ,.
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You are welcome. Glad you like it
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New video on Watchtower history, very exposing!
by Greybeard inplease read this post and then watch the video http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/witness-history-and-christian-freedom/.
hope you enjoy!.
your brother in christ,.
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Please read this post and then watch the video http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/witness-history-and-christian-freedom/
Hope you enjoy!
Your brother in Christ,
Greybeard
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Lack faith in a creator? Watch this!
by Greybeard inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq0pk8d0ofg&feature=related.
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watch all of it, don't miss the miracle....
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Greybeard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq0pK8d0OFg&feature=related
WATCH ALL OF IT, don't miss the miracle...
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What are your favourite movie lines/quotes????
by karter in''well there's one thing you got ta ask yourself punk....you felling lucky...well do ya punk".....clint eastwood dirty harry.. "it's life jim but not as we know it" capt kirk star treck..
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I for one will miss her VERY much! I will remember her for her great voice, music, beauty and the happiness her music brought to millions of people... She was a very beautiful person who fell into the trap of addiction. She did way more good, bringing happiness to millions, than she did bad, mostly bringing sadness to herself. Personally I believe she has gone to a much better place where she can get the real help that she needs. I believe in the promises Jesus spoke of. I love her and am very sad she is gone but happy her pain is over...
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StandFirm Says The Watchtower Society Has Never Lied!
by LostGeneration incheck it out:.
http://stayawake-standfirm.blogspot.com/2011/04/watchtower-society-has-never-lied.html.
standfirms disclaimer is that the definition of a lie is: "to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive"-emphasis added.. of course, other definitions of lie include: .
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StandFirm said on his blog, "So, are all you opposers up for the challenge? Can you show me where the Witness organization knew something was false but said it anyway?"
The Watchtower and most everyone on this planet know they have many false prophecies yet they try to act as if they never happened in many cases. Notice:
The following quotes were published in the May 1, 1997 Watchtower:
“JEHOVAH GOD is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning—yes, their foolish, fleshly thinking!”
The same article in the May 1, 1997 Watchtower quotes ISAIAH 44:25, 26 as the theme scripture, “I am . . . the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers.”
Another quote from this same Watchtower article:
“These deceivers continued in their mad course of predicting things against God’s will. So Jehovah God told Ezekiel: “Woe to the stupid prophets, who are walking after their own spirit, when there is nothing that they have seen!”
Another quote from this same Watchtower article:
“As for Isaiah, all his divine messages about Jerusalem came true. In the summer of 607 B.C.E., the Babylonians destroyed the city and took a Jewish remnant back to Babylon as captives. ( 2 Chronicles 36:15-21 ; Ezekiel 22:28 ; Daniel 9:2 ) Did these calamities stop the false prophets from bombarding God’s people with vain babblings? No, those lying messengers kept at it!” Notice how the Watchtower describes liars here!
Another quote from this same Watchtower article:
“…all people living then saw God’s ‘bared arm’ exerting power in human affairs in order to bring about the astounding salvation of a nation. They were given unimpeachable proof that Isaiah and Ezekiel were Jehovah’s true messengers. No one could doubt that Zion’s God was the only living and true God in all the earth. At Isaiah 35:2 , we read: “There will be those who will see the glory of Jehovah, the splendor of our God.” Those who accepted this proof of Jehovah’s Godship turned to worshiping him.”
Where is the “unimpeachable proof” that Jehovah’s Witnesses are Jehovah’s true messengers? Is there anything that they predicted that actually came true? We know they will point to 1914 as a fulfilled prophecy but the truth is nothing they said came true. Just the opposite. 1914 passed and the leaders were thrown into prison. They wrongly applied prophecy to that as well. What do all of the onlookers in the world think about these messengers? Have they been given this “unimpeachable proof” that they are the true messengers of God? We all know what they would say if we asked them that question.
Another quote from this same Watchtower article:
“How thankful we should be that Jehovah identifies his true messengers! He is indeed “the One making the word of his servant come true, and the One that carries out completely the counsel of his own messengers.” ( Isaiah 44:26 ) The restoration prophecies he gave Isaiah and Ezekiel magnify his great love, undeserved kindness, and mercy toward his servants. Surely, Jehovah deserves all our praise for this! And we today should be especially thankful that he exposes false messengers. This is because there are many of them now on the world’s scene. Their grandiose messages ignore Jehovah’s announced purposes.”
What can we say to this? Honestly it boggles my mind. I truly do feel sorry for those who wrote this and those who believe it. Could there be a clearer case of blindness? Jehovah has not carried out “completely” the council of these messengers. The word “completely” leaves no room for error. True messengers of Jehovah have their messages come true and are backed by “unimpeachable proof” like Isaiah and Ezekiel could claim.
Please consider Romans 2:17-24 , “If, now, you are a Jew in name and are resting upon law and taking pride in God, and you know his will and approve of things that are excellent because you are orally instructed out of the Law; and you are persuaded that you are a guide of the blind, a light for those in darkness, a corrector of the unreasonable ones, a teacher of babes, and having the framework of the knowledge and of the truth in the Law— do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself? You, the one preaching “Do not steal,” do you steal? You, the one saying “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You, the one expressing abhorrence of the idols, do you rob temples? You, who take pride in law, do you by your transgressing of the Law dishonor God? For “the name of God is being blasphemed on account of YOU people among the nations; just as it is written.”
In an effort to reach my brothers I would like to ask the governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses these questions, “You who condemn others who made false predictions do you make false predictions? You who condemn others for false teaching have you taught false teachings?” It must be pointed out to you that because of not practicing what you preach “the name of God is being blasphemed on account of YOU people among the nations; just as it is written.”
Please consider Matthew 12:37 , “…for by your words you will be declared righteous, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Do the words written by the Watchtower about false messengers declare them as “righteous” or “condemned?” I will leave that call up to God but I don’t want to be standing to close when the Watchower is judged…
All of this is proof that the Watchtower does willingly outright lie to hide the truth about their history. Claiming that they are true messengers of God when in fact, they know God has not carried out completely their words, makes them liars! They condemn themselves with their own words!
This was first posted here: http://www.jwstruggle.com/2011/11/jehovah-god-is-the-grand-identifier-of-his-true-messengers/
More proof of outright lies here: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/jehovahs-prophet.php
With Christian love to all,
Your brother in Christ,
Greybeard