Posts by Greybeard

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Jehovahs Witnesses and the Memorial of Christs Death

by Greybeard in

have you ever been invited to someones home for dinner, but not eaten any of the food?

only sat there and watched them eat?

what purpose would that serve?

Greybeard

Thank you Paul,

Your website, jwfacts.com has helped me more than you will ever know. Thank you for all of your hard work and honest presentation!

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Jehovahs Witnesses and the Memorial of Christs Death

by Greybeard in

have you ever been invited to someones home for dinner, but not eaten any of the food?

only sat there and watched them eat?

what purpose would that serve?

Greybeard

Thanks friends...

@ designs, yes I partake in private with another x-jw brother

@ Botzwana, I would think that partaking " unworthily" would be partaking without believeing in Christ and comming into a personal relationship with him and his father. A person who has no regard for Christ or his father and then shows up to drink the wine would be mocking God.

I found this online and I agree with it:

“The focus is not so much on our own worthiness (who is worthy of the sacrifice of Christ?) but in observing the Lord's Supper in the proper manner.” It is possible to partake in an unworthy manner. When you examine yourself, it is not a question of whether or not you are worthy to worship God…none of us are really worthy on our own merit to come into His Presence. Rather you must make sure that the manner in which you partake is right. The manner in which you partake includes principles: rightly discerning the Lord’s Supper for what it is, the use of the proper elements, proclaiming His death, properly focusing your mind to remember Christ as He commanded, the partaking on the Scriptural day, and a self-examination to ensure your personal compliance with God’s will regarding this memorial. It has little to do with other sins you may have in your life as a Christian, though those other sins could become a stumbling block to cause you to violate one of the requirements of partaking worthily."

I hope that helps...

My opinion is it is a command and if you believe in Christ you should obey him. With my body I am a slave to sins law but with my mind to Gods law. (Romans 7:25) His sacrifice covers our sin. What does your mind and heart tell you is right in this? Pray and ask for Holy Spirit to guide you.

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Jehovahs Witnesses and the Memorial of Christs Death

by Greybeard in

have you ever been invited to someones home for dinner, but not eaten any of the food?

only sat there and watched them eat?

what purpose would that serve?

Greybeard

Bumpidy Bumparoo

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Jehovahs Witnesses and the Memorial of Christs Death

by Greybeard in

have you ever been invited to someones home for dinner, but not eaten any of the food?

only sat there and watched them eat?

what purpose would that serve?

Greybeard

Have you ever been invited to someone’s home for dinner, but not eaten any of the food? Only sat there and watched them eat? What purpose would that serve? That is exactly what the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses do. They invite millions of people around the world to come to the Lords Evening Meal…and watch themeat. They make sure all pass the bread and wine, yet encourage the majoritynot to partake.

Read the rest of the article here:

http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-memorial-of-christs-death/

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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.

by stuckinamovement in

jw
friends

i have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.

in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.

even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.

Greybeard

Hi sister sickandtired,

We undrstand how you feel. It is not easy. If you ever get a chance, check out jwstruggle.com

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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.

by stuckinamovement in

jw
friends

i have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.

in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.

even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.

Greybeard

One more point,

The JW/org doesn't deserve any credit for training "Elders" who have finally learned the truth about the truth. The training the "Elders" recieve is to blindly follow the "slave" no matter what and NEVER question or investigate thier teachings. Do no research on the borg is their command and from what I hear, they have started to remove all old books from the Kingdom Halls.

So if you were a former "Elder" give credit to yourself for learning TTATT. (The Truth About The Truth) and most of all to your father in heaven (if you still believe in him)

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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.

by stuckinamovement in

jw
friends

i have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.

in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.

even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.

Greybeard

Good points Conan,

I like what you said here, " I agree that the women will hang in there longer than a man will. The socialization factor is certainly central. The second is that women will generally endure problems with their belief system longer than a man will."

That is so true in my opinion. Women in the congregation have to follow imperfect men everyday! some women go door to door everyday while few men show up. Then when they do, they must follow whatever bozo male is there no matter his age as long as he is baptized. A woman must mentally prepair herself for this male dominated org. I believe this is one of the reasons they are more likely to follow the JW/org right or wrong.

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Why Elders leave the Organization and why their Wives stay.

by stuckinamovement in

jw
friends

i have talked to quite a few brothers who have served as elders and servants and left the organization.

in most cases their wives have remained in despite the husbands best efforts to persuade his wife that the organization is wrong.

even though the wife can see problems within they continue to press on in service to the society.

Greybeard

Hi SIAM and thank you for the article!

I can totally relate to what you said and understand how you feel. However, I believe this scenario not only applies to "Elders" and their "wives" but all who were apart of the orginazation. Why do I say that? I never did aspire to become an "Elder" myself although I was probably more "qualified" than many I knew. I spotted the hypocrisy and arrogant self-righteous attitude of many "Elders" at a very young age. Even though I could see this hypocrisy I still believed this was "Gods organization" so being a JW was not easy for me. Much of the time I was depressed because of the things I saw in the org and the way I was treated by so called "Elders". I was related to many "Elders" and "Ministerial Servents". My father, father-in-law, brother were all elders. I soon figured out that I never wanted to be one and play that game. Even though this was my atitude I still was very active in service and was very good at the door believing I was taking part in a "life saving" work. I just figured God would take care of the hypocritical "Elders" in his own time and the "first will be last and the last first" in the end...

So what I am getting at is this is not only an "Elder" problem. My wife still believes in the JW/org and so do my children. I have noticed that there are also many women who have woke up on their own to the facts about JW's. I personally know of two women whose husband's were "Elders" and still believe the JW/org. Could it be that woman are more loyal in general? Has not the JW/org brain washed them into submiting to their husbands in everything? I know as a JW husband I myself blindly enforced my headship over my wife. Women are bombarded with this in the JW/org from all sides. They hear it from the platform at the hall and then they hear it at home and possibly more from a arrogant self-rightouse "Elder" who claims to be appointed by God. Now please do not get me wrong, I am not slaming you or anyone else who was an "Elder". I just feel that some who were former "Elders" still view themselves as different from the rest of us who were not. They seam to be proud of the fact they were "Elders". I am proud of the fact I never became one and chose not to play their hypocritical games.

With love for all here,

Your brother in Christ,

Greybeard

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