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  Simon O. Blunden, Watch Tower Director

  by vienne in

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  i've uploaded two new-to-me newspaper articles about blunden to our history blog.. https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

  we urgently need a photo for our next book.

  can you help me locate a photo of blunden?.

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  I've uploaded two new-to-me newspaper articles about Blunden to our history blog.

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

  We urgently need a photo for our next book. Can you help me locate a photo of Blunden?
  
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  So how did JF Rutherford function...?

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  every picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.

  so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?

  was he gay too?

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  My writing partner and I research the Russell era, but I am interested in Rutherford. I haven't seen evidence that reaches the level of valid historical evidence for some of the accusations, but I keep poking at this. Eventually there will be something one way or the other.
  
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  So how did JF Rutherford function...?

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
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  every picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.

  so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?

  was he gay too?

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  Aside from that, there is no sign that anyone in this photo is drunk. Is drinking a small glass of beer a sin? If so, I'm doomed
  
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  So how did JF Rutherford function...?

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  every picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.

  so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?

  was he gay too?

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  Dear Bungi, spigot in wrong spot for beer. The glasses are 'root beer' glasses not beer mugs. This is a dispenser for home-made root beer. One could buy Hires' Extract, add yeast and home brew root beer. There were fancy, porcelain dispensers found in shops and other less expensive dispensers sold for home use. This dispenser has a hand pump. Beer dispensers work with internal pressure and a spigot.
  
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  So how did JF Rutherford function...?

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  every picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.

  so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?

  was he gay too?

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  HowtheBible, is the video on youtube? I can't seem to find it.
  
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  So how did JF Rutherford function...?

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  every picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.

  so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?

  was he gay too?

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  The photo of Rutherford and the others drinking is of a root beer dispenser. Not booze.

  HowtheBible: I'd love to add the photos you saw to my archive collection. Will you please post them for us?

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  I need help finding ...

  by vienne in

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  2. beliefs

  i need help locating issues of the following magazines:.

  j. h. paton's the world's hope [1882-1916] we have some issues but our research collection is sparse.. a. d. jones' zion's day star, later as day star.

  ] we have one issue.

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  vienne

  Hi everyone,

  I need help locating issues of the following magazines:

  J. H. Paton's The World's Hope [1882-1916] We have some issues but our research collection is sparse.

  A. D. Jones' Zion's Day Star, later as Day Star. [1882-1886?] We have one issue. Some are in the Library of Congress but are, we're told, too fragile to copy. I can't afford the trip to view and photograph.

  A. P. Adams' The Spirit of the Word. [1885-?] We have four years. They're marginally helpful, but we lack key years.

  The Millennarian. Some issues at Columbia University. We can't afford the copy fee. If you live nearby and want to view them, I'd give you guidance on key issues.

  H. B. Rice's The Last Trump [About six issues in 1878; revived as a local sheet about 1900] no known copies.
  

  As we wind up volume 2 of Separate Identity and move on to volume 3, we will need these desperately.

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  Need some research help

  by JeffT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i'm working on another (fictional) book project and i need some historical help.

  i came into the borg in 1973, just as they were starting the new elder arrangement.

  i know that before that there was a presiding overseer who (as i understand it) ran the show.

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  The ruling elders were Congregation Servant [the boss], Assistant Congregation Servant [filled role similar to secretary], and Bible Study Servant [Promoted bible study activity]. They were the congregation committee supervising congregation functioning and 'judicial' matters.

  The assistant and bible study servant were called ministerial servants. Other ministerial servants were Literature Servant, magazine servant, accounts servant, book study conductors, watchtower conductor ministry school servant. In most congregations these positions were filled by people already appointed to another office. The Congregation Servant might also have the watchtower study. The assistant might also have the ministry school. Book study conductors usually had another office. This is, i believe, how things stood in 1971.

  Earlier eras had differing designations, though they performed the same work.

  The watchtower book Your Word is a Lamp to my Feet would help with this. It shouldn't be hard to find.

  Old Goat who sometimes posts here [he's 90 I think], was a Company Servant, the predecessor title for Congregation Servant. You might PM him if you need more information. But the 'service' booklets and books are mostly found online somewhere. Other than the Lamp book, these would be Preaching and Teaching, and the predecessor Organizational Instructions.
  
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  What is Ibid?

  by Belladonna75 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all, i'm diving deep into historical jw literature research and i keep seeing ibid as a frequently cited source - what is this?

  i've tried the old google, but no luck.

  does this stand for something (i'm probably missing something incredibly obvious) or have i spent too many hours reading 1930s the golden age magazines and depleted all my electrons already?

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  May I suggest https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ as a resource for your historical research?
  
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  JW Kids Bullying My Daughter

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  trying not to type swearwords as i write this so bare with me.. my little 3yo attends meetings with her jw mum (who doesn't believe watchtower anymore but is stuck in because she relies on her family for help).

  my mum (the one who tells people im dead) had a party for her grandchildren.

  that's my 4 nieces and 1 nephew aged from 3yo-11yo.

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  Probably won't do a lick of good, but I'd write this all up naming names and send it to the Watchtower. It should make them blush for fostering this behavior.

  My mother was baptized when I was 12, and I attended meetings with her. It was elder behavior that made me question everything I heard at Watchtower meetings. Within a year I had serious questions about doctrine, structure and behavior on the part of Witnesses.

  I unloaded on John Barr when he visited our congregation. He listened. There was a result, but by that time I was certain that some doctrine was irretrievably broken, that the authority structure was not scriptural and the people as a whole did not know what love is.