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  I Ain't Got No Religion No More ... (But I Like to Get Myself Some Gospel Music)

  by Simon in

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  i love gospel music.

  i don't feel like i need to believe in "jebus" to appreciate the music.

  i can't go into a gospel church because i might just get religion again - that or i'll be grabbing the mic on be on the stage waving my hands and praising the lord.. i particularly like dylan's gospel period.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIDZNAzXPVA
  
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  Ectopic pregnancy

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  ectopic pregnancies, when detected, are usually treated by surgically removing them.

  i always understood that this procedure was ok for jehovah's witnesses.

  but the subject came up during pioneer school.

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  In my experience, most Circuit Overseers are under educated and do not know their own doctrine. Or misunderstand what the Watchtower teaches. No surprise. Watchtower doctrine is what is in print, not what is in the distorted mind of some man who thinks he's God's mouth piece.
  
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  Introductory Essay - Vol 2 our book

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mr. schulz has posted a rough draft of his introductory essay for volume 2 of separate identity.

  i'm not certain how many here are interested, but here is the link.

  comments are welcome as long as they address the issues at hand.

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  Mr. Schulz has posted a rough draft of his introductory essay for volume 2 of Separate Identity. I'm not certain how many here are interested, but here is the link. Comments are welcome as long as they address the issues at hand. Our readership is roughly equally balanced between academics, Witnesses, former witnesses, and Bible Students. We try to keep it civil.

  The essay is a temporary post and will come down in a few days.

  https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/

  Links to our books are in the blog's side bar. We do not have a publication date yet, but we're slowly getting there.
  
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  Collaborators of Charles T. Russell and members of esoteric societies

  by mizpah2 in

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  2. scandals

  senor samuel david (1866-1955).

  citoyen américain, samuel d. senor était cultivé et instruit dans le domaine médical.

  a partir de 1887, il réalisa des études de médecine, à st joseph, dans l‘etat du missouri.

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  Finkl, Thanks so much. I appreciate this.
  
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  Collaborators of Charles T. Russell and members of esoteric societies

  by mizpah2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  senor samuel david (1866-1955).

  citoyen américain, samuel d. senor était cultivé et instruit dans le domaine médical.

  a partir de 1887, il réalisa des études de médecine, à st joseph, dans l‘etat du missouri.

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  This seems to suggest guilt by association more than anything else. A good translation would help.
  
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  Extract from Separate Identity - Vol 2

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some of you know that b. w. schulz and i have written two histories considering the watchtower's earliest years.

  we have posted an extract from a chapter that will appear in volume 2 of separate identity.

  because of copyright issues, the post must be temporary.

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  Oh, no, they are very reluctant to share mateterial. As I noted in my introductory essay for vol 1, they sent us 8 pages of photocopy, 4 of which we already had. They refused access to a document we know they have. I do not know why a 140 year old document is withheld from researchers. The watchtower is not the only institution to do this. An Episcopal archive had a change of management that took them from openess to secretiveness for no apparent reason. Boston University refused to copy papers their archivist thought held the Methodist Church in a bad light. One of our volunteer researchers traveled there making copies for us.

  The Watchtower tries to control the narrative. They are secretive when they do not need to be. I know of no other religion that treats the textbooks used to train clergy as state secrets. Secretiveness extends back to a warning to the brethren from Rutherford given sometime in the 1920s.

  This is probably full of typos. I'm typing this using my cell phone, and my vision is poor enough I can't see what I've written.
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  Extract from Separate Identity - Vol 2

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some of you know that b. w. schulz and i have written two histories considering the watchtower's earliest years.

  we have posted an extract from a chapter that will appear in volume 2 of separate identity.

  because of copyright issues, the post must be temporary.

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  You mean all his personal effects? Other than a minimal amount of money left to his estranged wife, yes. However, they do not have a complete set of everything ever published.
  
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  Extract from Separate Identity - Vol 2

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some of you know that b. w. schulz and i have written two histories considering the watchtower's earliest years.

  we have posted an extract from a chapter that will appear in volume 2 of separate identity.

  because of copyright issues, the post must be temporary.

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  Dear Gorb, stuck, GXJW,

  Thanks for the kind words. Yes, our research is as exhaustive as we can make it. That consumes time and effort. Sometimes [often] we're left with questions we cannot answer. Missing original documentation is a real problem. As we continue to write this chapter, we find ourselves without two key items: 1. Russell reprinted Food for Thinking Christians and Tabernacle Teachings as a single combined book. We have copies of both in their original format. We need to see the title page, copyright page, and after-matter of the combined booklet. But we can't find a copy anywhere. 2. In 1887 Russell printed a small booklet of suggestions for Watch Tower evangelists. We can't find that either. We have something similar printed in 1912, but we do not think the content is the same.

  If anyone has these things, do PM me.
  
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  Extract from Separate Identity - Vol 2

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some of you know that b. w. schulz and i have written two histories considering the watchtower's earliest years.

  we have posted an extract from a chapter that will appear in volume 2 of separate identity.

  because of copyright issues, the post must be temporary.

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  I looked. Everything is there. Run CCleaner or something similar and restart your browser. Google - they own blogger - can really mess up sometimes, but it is usually a problem with temp files and a wonky browser. Let me know if that works.

  Also, the current post, the temp post, is fairly long. To see older posts click on the "older posts" link at the bottom of the page.
  
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  Extract from Separate Identity - Vol 2

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  some of you know that b. w. schulz and i have written two histories considering the watchtower's earliest years.

  we have posted an extract from a chapter that will appear in volume 2 of separate identity.

  because of copyright issues, the post must be temporary.

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  Some of you know that B. W. Schulz and I have written two histories considering the Watchtower's earliest years. We have posted an extract from a chapter that will appear in volume 2 of Separate Identity. Because of copyright issues, the post must be temporary. You can read it and comment on it. Please keep any comments to the point and keep your comments free from insults. [It happens] Facts matter. Polemics do not. See the post here: http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2018/05/temporary-post_30.html
  

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5116004591992832/who-b-w-schulz-anyone-know?page=1