Posts by vienne

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Should JW's Follow an Apostate?

by Sea Breeze in

wasn't ct russell an apostate seventh day adventist?.

vienne

I am continually puzzled by those who post 'authoritative' things that are based on nonsense. Russell was never a Seventh Day Adventist, or for that matter an Adventist of any kind. He was an Age to Come Millennialist. [See vol 1 of Schulz and de Vienne (my mom), Separate Identity and Mom's introductory essay for vol 2.] He associated most closely with The Restitution, an age to come newspaper, before going his own way.

By 1844 Storrs was no longer a Millerite Adventist. Stetson wrote for the Restitution and the British journal The Rainbow and was by the time Russell met him no longer an Adventist. Shouldn't we inform ourselves before we write?

Oppose Jehovah's Witnesses. Certainly. But when we spew uninformed nonsense, we persuade no one.

https://www.amazon.com/Separate-Identity-Organizational-Readers-1870-1887/dp/1304969401

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Ministry school

by road to nowhere in

what is the purpose?

the skits are not real.

i have been assigned a reading again.

vienne

I'm a plain spoken very young woman. I'd counsel the counselor. In what way does someone who can't handle the language qualify as a teacher? Aren't elders supposed to be teachers? And why haven't the other elders counseled him? Are they 'hicks from the sticks' too?

Do the research anyway. I do that with my assignments - university not meetings of course. Probably shouldn't stump the teacher too much, but if you find something interesting, slightly puzzling, then politely put him on the spot.

My mom [PhD in history] would do that when elders came to call. She was never a Witness though gramma was in late life. But they'd call on her regularly. I have two uncles by marriage who are elders and a grand uncle who was a long-serving elder, though he is infirm now. They enjoyed mom's questions, but under-educated elders did not. She, as the expression goes, "cut them no slack."

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Ministry school

by road to nowhere in

what is the purpose?

the skits are not real.

i have been assigned a reading again.

vienne

I attend meetings with my sisters sometimes. Two of them are baptized. To be clear, while I like most Witnesses, their religion is not Biblical in key areas, and I'm not a Witness. There are NO prospects of me becoming one. But I listen to the meetings very carefully. I'm just at the start of perusing my BA in Education, following mom's footsteps, and gramma's too.

If I were in your situation, I'd put huge effort into researching assignments, and making my presentation as polished and studied as possible. You will learn from that. You do not have to believe Watchtower publications to learn from the experience.

I have a question though. How old are you? I ask because it's not called 'the ministry school' anymore. How you approach this may be affected by your age.

Dealing with elders can be a challenge. Witness education level is low. Ignore their faults, no matter how difficult that is. As long as you associate you may as well suck in as much experience, thought and education as you can. If you approach their sometimes boring, ill prepared meetings with that goal, you'll be surprised what the experience will teach you.

All the best,

Anastasia (Annie)

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Do You Support Trump Being Impeached Again?

by minimus in

jw
friends

it looks like it can happen again and i suspect if it does happen, the senate will not convict either because they can’t convict him since it’s after his presidency or simply because they don’t have sufficient votes..

vienne

No. But I would support a total ban on the Democrat Party.

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Just helped my kid get his first used car.

by GrreatTeacher in

my son, only child, age 19, college sophomore, just got his first used car.

most importantly, he learned the fun and exhilarating process of buying a used car from a dealer.

he had saved some money, but everything around the $5000 range was basically a shit box on wheels.

vienne

I'm saving for my first car. Dad says I can't have one until I'm 18, preferably until I'm 19. That's okay by me.

It's harder to save now because my part-time job went away with the 'lock down.'

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New JW study book / method announced on JW Broadcast

by Funky in

so did anyone catch the january jw broadcast?.

it's the "spiritual content" of what would have been introduced in the october annual meeting, had the october annual meeting taken place.. morris, splane, and jackson introduce a new jw study publication: "live forever eternally - an interactive guide".. details were sparse, but apparently it is a 256 page book (when in actual printed form), primarily designed to be used in its electronic form, stuffed with links to videos.. it is designed to be "just one book" to be studied prior to baptism, where "all 60 questions that baptism candidates have to know" are found in just one place.. the purported reason is to make jw "bible" studies more "productive", i.e., lead to more baptisms.. splane brought out the governing body's "great concern" that 10 million+ "bible" studies are conducted by jws every year, but the number of baptisms has been stuck at 200,000 - 300,000 per year for decades.

so the thinking is, this new book + a "new method of conducting studies" (again, no real detail, but apparently it involves more "discussion" and less "question and answer").. want to know my thoughts?

vienne

Dear RB

Actually, you can.

http://www.susankayjewelry.com/NewCoprolite1.html

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Simon's Living Room!----10 Documents You Might Want!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

these have already gone out by email.. when we come here, we are coming into simon's living room and need to protect all of his belongings.

this includes protecting the security here.. as many of you know, the watchtower has made a lawsuit over a song that they feel was wrongly used.

so, friends, the watchtower is still out there sending subpoenas and filing lawsuits.we have a few things you might want, so just reply below and i'll send you a pm.the norwegian letters are translated on page 2 of the pdf.instructions for russia prison letter writing2020-11-10--norwegian-english-campaign2020-12-09--direction related to covid-192020-12-15--norwegian-english2020-12-16--announcement december 16, 20202020-12-17--announcement2020-12-18--announcement2020-12-19--covid-19 vaccine announcement2020-12-21--kingdom hall internet service during the pandemic2020-12--bethel visitors lodging and car rental listatlantis!

vienne

yes, please send. thanks.

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Was Jesus Born on December 25th?

by Sea Breeze in

we were told by watchtower that no way jesus was born on dec. 25th.

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what do you think now?.

vienne

Several Biblical approaches for an approximate date, assuming that there was a 'real' Jesus - and I believe there was. Consider the 'course' of John the Baptist's priesthood give us the month he served at the temple and had his vision. That would take us to an October date for Jesus' birth.

The shepherds in the field at night would take us to a similar date, and that removes a December birth.

Also, December 25 is the date for the rebirth of the sun, making it an unlikely date for the birth of God's son.

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