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For that would have been wicked, a sin to be judged.
Isn't it both a sin and a crime? No religion should act as a civil court. A religious court perhaps, for sin.
Posts by vienne
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5Job 31 v 11
by zachias inin job 31 v11 it states that an inappropriate sex act is a crime not a 'sin'.
if this so between adults then it must extend that it is so if children are involved.
but the wt refers to paedophilia as a sin..
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Which English Translations of the Bible are you Favorites, and Why?
by Disillusioned JW inwhich english translations of the bible are you favorites, and why?
my favorites include the (english) revised version bible (of 1881-1885) and its apocrypha (of 1898), the american revised version bible (of 1898, it close to the american standard version), the american standard version bible (of 1901), the new american standard bible - updated edition, the new revised standard version bible with the apocrypha, the complete bible: an american translation (it includes the apocrypha), and the twentieth century new testament.
i also use others beside those.. they are my favorites because i consider them to be highly accurate, and also they are either very literal (but not so literal as to be hard to understand) or they use functional equivalence.
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Mom left me with many Bible translations. I like the Jerusalem Bible, the original version. And I like the three volume "The Bible from 26 Translations."
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The Emphasized Bible - Now included in WT LIbrary
by Wonderment inthe emphasized bible (rotherham) is now included in the wt library under "other bibles.".
therefore it joins kit, kjv, asv, & the bible in living english in such group.. any thoughts?.
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Uncle B in Separate Identity vol. 2 wrote:
As clergy outrage intensified after 1895, the Watch Tower parousia doctrine was interminably criticized and often misrepresented. This continued through the 20th Century and into the present century. Consider Walter Martin’s comment:
“Jehovah’s Witnesses claim scholarship for this blanket translation of parousia, yet not one great scholar in the history of Greek exegesis and translation has ever held this view. Since 1871, when “Pastor” Russell produced this concept, it has been denounced by every competent scholar upon examination.
“The reason this Russellite rendering is so dangerous is that it attempts to prove that parousia in regard to Christ’s second advent really means that His return or ‘presence’ was to be invisible, and unknown to all but ‘the faithful.’”
This is a polemicist’s poor research and a misrepresentation. His misstatements vary from minor to significant. The 1871 date is wildly wrong, something he could easily have known when he wrote. Russell did not originate the concept, but as we’ve shown elsewhere, it has a long history. He suggests that no “great” Greek-language scholar ever accepted a uniform translation of παρουσία as presence. One supposes that any scholar that disagreed with Martin would not have been ‘great’ in his eyes, including Joseph Rotherham, who noted in the appendix to his translation: “In this edition the word parousia is uniformly rendered ‘presence’ (‘coming,’ as a representative of this word, being set aside). The original term occurs twenty-four times in the N. T. [He lists all the verses which we omit from this quotation] ... The sense of ‘presence’ is so plainly shewn by the contrast with ‘absence’ (implied in 2 Co. x. 10, and expressed in Ph. ii. 12) that the question naturally arises, – Why not always so render it?”
Martin failed to cite or quote any of the “great” scholars who rejected Watch Tower exposition of παρουσία. When one only writes polemics, it is convenient to avoid citing sources. Martin misrepresented Russell and modern Watchtower belief, claiming that their view is that only “the faithful” would be aware of it. He puts ‘the faithful’ in quotes, but the phrase is lacking on the pages he cites as is the belief he attributes to Watch Tower adherents. Russell, the modern Watchtower, and Bible Student groups all believe that in time Christ’s presence will become apparent to everyone, at least when Christ executes God’s judgment. Martin’s real objection was that Russell and modern descendent religions present an understanding of prophecy different from his own. The same is true for Russell’s contemporaries who wrote similarly. Many who wrote anti-Russell tracts simply mentioned the teaching without refuting it, relying on shock value to accomplish their purpose.
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The Emphasized Bible - Now included in WT LIbrary
by Wonderment inthe emphasized bible (rotherham) is now included in the wt library under "other bibles.".
therefore it joins kit, kjv, asv, & the bible in living english in such group.. any thoughts?.
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Mantey was not the most honest of persons, laying claim to H. E. Dana's work as his own. Mantey's contributions to the revision of Dana's A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament were minor. In his letter complaining that Watchtower misused a quotation from it, he said the paragraph in question was his own work. It was not.
The Watchtower continues to use the quotation, but attributes it to the original edition by H. E. Dana.
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The Emphasized Bible - Now included in WT LIbrary
by Wonderment inthe emphasized bible (rotherham) is now included in the wt library under "other bibles.".
therefore it joins kit, kjv, asv, & the bible in living english in such group.. any thoughts?.
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I agree with Minimus. This poster does not appear to be genuine. I vote troll. ... I would change my mind if he elaborated in a convincing way.
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Why dont practicing JWS cant accept the fact that the Watchtower Corporation is a commercialized false prophet ?
by Finkelstein into the majority of people who investigate the activities of the wts from its beginning history there were obvious false proclamations and doctrines propagated by the wts.. a matter of fact the wts produced a long list of literature that posted proclamations on the front cover and went into detail of things that were suppose to happen, from jesus returning changing the world in which we live and so on.. wonderful things one might say but not factual or either theologically correct .
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It's a very small religion that does not have a publishing arm. That the Watchtower publishes more, and often better written, material than many others would not dissuade a committed adherent. Uncle B, the surviving author of the Separate Identity series, pointed me to the concept of Triumphalism. We were discussing the lack of rational refutation in the Russell era. But the thought applies to Watchtower belief as well. Douglas Hall, in The Cross in Our Context: Jesus and the Suffering World (2003), wrote:
"The tendency in all strongly held world views, whether religious or secular, to present themselves as full and complete accounts of reality, leaving little if any room for debate or difference of opinion and expecting of their adherents unflinching belief and loyalty. Such a tendency is triumphalistic in the sense that it triumphs - at least in its own self-estimate - over all ignorance, uncertainty, doubt, and incompleteness, as well, of course, as every other point of view." - page 15.
This is the issue with Witness adherents as well as their conservative Protestant opponents. If you see your belief system as fixed and inerrant, you will avoid debate as unnecessary. You will pity those on the outside. But you will not question your faith.
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Russell era letters
by vienne ini'm trying to help b with his research for separate identity vol 3. scans of letters, documents and post cards by russell or any early bible student are helpful.
will you please share them?.
annie.
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Thanks L.
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Russell era letters
by vienne ini'm trying to help b with his research for separate identity vol 3. scans of letters, documents and post cards by russell or any early bible student are helpful.
will you please share them?.
annie.
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Hi everyone,
I'm trying to help B with his research for Separate Identity vol 3. Scans of letters, documents and post cards by Russell or any early Bible Student are helpful. Do you have any? Will you please share them?
Annie
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What Do You Think About New York City?
by minimus ini have been to the city hundreds of times.
i’ve always loved the vitality of the city and no one could ever say that you could get bored in nyc.
i regularly went for business during the day and in the evenings go to local bars and restaurants as well as the village.
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It's a Democrat-run garbage pit, full of crime.