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  Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. scandals

  the problem is where do we go from here?

  lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?

  we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.

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  vienne

  s.b.f.,

  I'm talking to those few supporters Lloyd has here, especially those that down vote any comments that question Lloyd's behavior.
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  Scandal and infighting has new article on the drawing board

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  'brothers, we now have the xjw community on the ropes.

  a scandal and infighting among the xjw community has given us new vigor against these ''mentally diseased apostates.

  '' due to legal reasons, we will not name the person.

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  vienne

  Lloyd fits the Watchtower's description of "mentally diseased." Sad, isn't it?
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  Where do we go from here, the Lloyd-gate?

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the problem is where do we go from here?

  lloyd is not going to go away , he has too much to loose(money) neither will his followers go as we have seen the last few days there was hardly a drop to his membership .so what's next?

  we will be branded in the same colours and because of him we won't be taken seriously anymore.

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  I've tried to be polite through this. Evans admitted to almost everything. Now it's false? He's a jerk. If you follow him, you're following a mental defective, someone with a personality disorder who wouldn't recognize 'truth' if it was tattooed on his right hand.

  His videos, even at their best [which isn't much] were often trivial and distorted the trivial simply to make a video. Shame on him. Shame on you for continuing to support him. The enemy of your enemy may seem to be a likely friend, but that is often not a truism.

  I'm not a Witness and have never been one, as most of you know. I watch the anti-sect and anti-Witness videos. You have men who can't comb their hair; you have some who have noticeable mental health issues. You have many who discovered the flaws in Witness theology after they were disfellowshipped. And the why of their expulsion is an open question. You have a 'housewife' or three desperate to discredit the Watchtower over anything, serious or not. Some comb through seventy, eighty, 100 year old literature just to find something, anything. You have a cos-playing man who thinks of himself as an intellectual, but who cannot keep his discourse civil and whose grammar falls into the trash bin the more excited he becomes. One who tries to imitate big time broadcasters, but who often seems befuddled. You have a pair who make videos in front of books, quoting from some of them. But the intellectualism implied by owning many books is, in their case, fakery. You have some who flaunt their moral issues. Most anti-Witness videos are irrational turn-offs.

  Evans? He's a bump in the road who deserved to be discredited. He'll come back. He must for his own 'well being.' His personality disorders demand it. The question is, will you still listen? Gift him with money? [insert a big shrug and sigh here.]

  Annie

  Where are the serious, thoughtful videos? I can't find any.
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  JW’s and Charity Organizations

  by longgone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was wondering if anyone is aware of the jw’s in general being involved financially and/or as volunteers in charity organizations?

  i was a born in jw for 56 years and left in 2016. as far as i remember there was never any encouragement to help in the community in any way.

  including soup kitchens, tutoring at schools, united way, etc.

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  My grand uncle volunteered as a medical coordinator for several international adoption and child care agencies. But what the general Witness view is, I do not know.
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  Gossip

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  question for former elders:.

  how much of your time was spent quelling gossip and rumors floating around.

  i'm not talking about csa type stuff, just regular insignficant stuff that people occupied their time over..

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  I'm not a Witness, certainly never an elder. But I have uncles who are both. So I asked. Uniform answer was that harmless personal talk is not worth an Elder's attention. Harmful gossip, that is untrue and harms someone's reputation is worth an Elder's personal attention.

  For what it's worth, that's their answer.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

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  vienne

  Except for a few diehards whose behaviors match his, Evans has become irrelevant. Not that he was ever anything but a nit-picking irreverence anyway. Time to flush the toilet.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Let's do the math - every year that works out to about 25 payments for sex. Then multiply that by four and Lloyd could possibly have done this 100 times or more.

  And at what cost? How much came out of his donation income? He's in Croatia. A website suggests that during tourist season average cost of a whore is 100 Euros. Let's assume that Lloyd was 'thrifty' and found someone for fifty dollars. At that discount rate he frittered away five thousand dollars. If you donated to his 'cause,' he spend your donation on what The Watchtower has called "a few moments of pleasure." You happy about that? Still donating? Why?
  
  
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  The Lloyd Evans Sex Scandal is our Business

  by annihilator in

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  2. scandals

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w82evcjfybm.

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  This is an excellent analysis of Evan's video. Stop supporting him, guys. If you continue, you are supporting someone who is the face of the x-Witness community but who totally fits the watchtower picture of apostates. Is the Watchtower right in questioning the mental health of 'Apostates'?

  The question is, do you, as an x-Witness, wish to blindly fit into that picture? Apparently the 100,000 subscribers to his videos do.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  vienne

  I do not understand why people continue to support him. He attacked watchtower ethics, often over minor things, but he has no ethics let alone morals of his own. Last I look he still had over 100K subscribers. Are x-witnesses that insane? surely not.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  Very upsetting. But haven't these rumors been around for a while? Didn't he confess to some things in his [poorly written, mind-numbingly boring] book? Why anyone expected his behavior to change is a puzzle to me. And I do not understand why anyone supports him financially.