Depending on the source of Witness FDS doctrine, it is either hero worship accepted by the governing body, or a not unexpected but totally out of place pride.
Posts by vienne
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Two classes for salvation didn't come from Rutherford. Russell believed there were three classes of saved: the 144K, a secondary spiritual class not quite reaching faith required of the 144K, and those who inherited a paradise earth.
Current Witness doctrine derives from earlier 19th Century sources, among them an Anglican writer, Isidore Heath, who wrote The Future Human Kingdom of Christ. This book influenced Henry Dunn. I don't know that Russell read Heath's book, but he read much of Dunn's material as republished by Storrs. None of the heavenly/earthly class teaching came from Rutherford. What he did was to eliminate the thought that there was a secondary, less faithful, heavenly class.
The Separate Identity series [2 vols. so far] considers the origins of Watchtower theology in considerable detail.
https://www.lulu.com/search?contributor=B.+W.+Schulz&page=1&pageSize=10&adult_audience_rating=00
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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He's not bored. This is a plea to make it all go away. It wont of course. Poor, poor Lloyd boy
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I've met a few Witnesses who claim divine anointing. They're all very old. I think Witness doctrine is off the mark. I don't dispute that some Witnesses receive divine anointing, but I cannot see the 144 thousand number as anything but symbolic.
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Was Satan in Heaven while Christ was crucified?
by Sharpie injust a shower thought came to mind.. while jesus was nailed to the stake/cross (take your pick) because of the witnesses lack of belief in hell.
does that mean according to witness doctrine that satan and his demons were in heaven while jesus was being executed?.
what about after jesus went to heaven?
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Saran in heaven when Jesus died? I dont know, but you can ask him.
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Research Help, Maybe
by vienne inbetween writing an essay and working part-time, i'm trying to help uncle b with volume three of his separate identity series.
probably most of you know what that is, but in case you do not: shop the independent bookstore | lulu.
volume three traces the fragmentation that occurred after the 1881 failure.
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vienne
Hi everyone,
Between writing an essay and working part-time, I'm trying to help uncle B with volume three of his Separate Identity series. Probably most of you know what that is, but in case you do not: Shop the Independent Bookstore | Lulu
Volume three traces the fragmentation that occurred after the 1881 failure. Resources as we have them are the available issues of Paton's World's Hope, some scattered issues of A. P. Adams' Spirit of the Word, and what issues of Herald of the Morning we could find. There are many missing "bits and pieces."
Missing is a booklet by Barbour critical of Zion's Watch Tower. It's mentioned in The Herald, but seems not to exist. We have two letters by Paton. Neither is important. That is, they don't add to the story. We have Paton's post-Russell books.
No letters by Barbour seem to exist, yet we know he was a prolific letter writer. No issues of H. B. Rice's magazine seem to exist. But these things must be out there somewhere. We need material that plugs research holes. If there are letters by the Russells from the 1880-1890 period, we could not find them. If you can add to any of this, please do. [That's a bit like asking for the deed to the moon.]
I don't need your personal opinion of these men. We're historians, not polemicists. Besides, part of the story is what they say about each other. Not always very nice, as you can imagine.
If you can add to our resources, please do. I appreciate any help you can give.
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Just courius, some questions about the past
by Gorb incurious.
time goes by so fast.
who remembers 1975, the ray franz incident, the generation change in 1995, the blood fractions, alternative service, participation in ochr, aid afrique, the historical research by james pellechia, jolene chu and johannes stephan wrobel?
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thankfor your comments.
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Just courius, some questions about the past
by Gorb incurious.
time goes by so fast.
who remembers 1975, the ray franz incident, the generation change in 1995, the blood fractions, alternative service, participation in ochr, aid afrique, the historical research by james pellechia, jolene chu and johannes stephan wrobel?
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I suppose I'm being a pest, asking questions. Waton, I don't understand your post. As I understand it, Witnesses returned to seeing the superior authorities as governments in 1958. Please elaborate.
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Just courius, some questions about the past
by Gorb incurious.
time goes by so fast.
who remembers 1975, the ray franz incident, the generation change in 1995, the blood fractions, alternative service, participation in ochr, aid afrique, the historical research by james pellechia, jolene chu and johannes stephan wrobel?
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I'm not old enough to remember these things, though I know of most of them. What is the historical research event? Please explain.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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I think Lloyd's worst problem is finally understanding that he is irrelevant, other than as a topic of conversation, and that he has no control over his life.