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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

I wonder if Lloyd boy was kicked in the head by a mule. That would explain everything. Well, perhaps not.
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Armageddon is just beginning
by TheEndIsNear in
1. social
2. current
do you want to know what is really behind the fake coronavirus pandemic, so-called vaccines and the war in ukraine?

to understand current events, you must first learn the history.

the world's biggest secret is that there have been tremendous global disasters in the past that decimated populations and caused the collapse of empires.
vienne

If I were pursuing my masters in Psychology instead of History, this would be an ideal place to research.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

I don't believe in inspired visions. However, I've had a ... vision. I saw Lloyd boy standing in a doorway. His eyes were wide and tear filled. Then, for no accountable reason, he banged his head on the wall, over and over, until he bled. All the while he mumbled, "my money! my money! oh my money! I'll have no money to pay Gloria, Sandra, or even 80 year old Carol. Oh what will I do?"
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A Press Conference of Hate: False Accusations of Sexual Abuse Against the Jehovah’s Witnesses 7~24~23
by Tahoe in
1. jw
2. friends
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https://bitterwinter.org/a-press-conference-of-hate-false-accusations-of-sexual-abuse-against-the-jehovahs-witnesses/.
vienne

EasyP,
I'm extremely sympathetic. As you recount it, your experience is distressing.
I do not see in the video links you provided any proof that M. Introvigne is paid in any fashion, except he likes to be in front of the camera.
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A Press Conference of Hate: False Accusations of Sexual Abuse Against the Jehovah’s Witnesses 7~24~23
by Tahoe in
1. jw
2. friends
.

https://bitterwinter.org/a-press-conference-of-hate-false-accusations-of-sexual-abuse-against-the-jehovahs-witnesses/.
vienne

Also ... Massimo Introvigne is a Catholic in disfavor with his religion because of a divorce. I've exchanged emails with him a few times. I found no evidence that he is paid by the Watchtower. If evidence exists, I would very much like to see it.
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A Press Conference of Hate: False Accusations of Sexual Abuse Against the Jehovah’s Witnesses 7~24~23
by Tahoe in
1. jw
2. friends
.

https://bitterwinter.org/a-press-conference-of-hate-false-accusations-of-sexual-abuse-against-the-jehovahs-witnesses/.
vienne

The Australian numbers are of all sexual abuse reported in the time frame. The numbers would be quite different if only abuse by an appointed man was reported.
Catholic numbers are abuse only by ordained clergy. They're not really comparable statistically. We would need a more refined data base.
However, any abuse is disgusting and should be reported. The issue with the Watchtower is that they do not have a fixed policy covering every entity (State, Province, county, etc.) Reluctance to report has caused their problems. For decades the Witness Governing Body lived in an idealized "spiritual paradise" and were reluctant to report any wrong doing, no matter how egregious, because doing so would destroy the spiritual paradise myth. They brought the negative reporting and court cases on themselves.
Another issue is press reporting. If a Baptist rapes his daughter, the press never says, "a Baptist man raped his daughter" unless he is clergy. The media identifies the perpetrator as a Witness regardless of official standing. This corrupts numbers too.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

Patron count is still up here: https://graphtreon.com/creator/cedars
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

Occasionally, I think our focus on Lloyd-boy is growing stale. But, if it turns anyone new to his channel into better, safer more rational routs, so much the better.
Personally, I think most anti-witness youtube channels are poorly done, a waste of breath, a useless rant. Many magnify the irrelevant into a major concern. It's preaching to the choir with little actual meaning. A well written, thoroughly researched short article is more effective.
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Only baptised JWs will make it?
by ExBethelitenowPIMA in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i think it was a john cedars video or someone else’s where the point was brought up that only baptised jws will be saved?

then one talk about kids of baptised jws hope they will make it but even them don’t know.

most jws probably think that some good people who are not baptised may make it through, but this is not official teaching?.
vienne

I asked this question of an elderly Witness. His answer was Christ saves who he saves, and then he referred to Jonah and the Assyrians, implying that no matter what humans taught, salvation and forgiveness rested in God's hands. Probably not official doctrine, but a scriptural answer nevertheless.
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La préhistoire des témoins de Jéhovah
by vienne in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/07/la-prehistoire-des-temoins-de-jehovah.html.

a short review of professor blandre's new book about russell's antecedents.

it is in french.
vienne

nope. not the same.