You would know better than most.
Posts by vienne
-
543Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
-
-
-
543
Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
-
-
vienne
Even the Satan knows scripture:
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'" -
543
Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
-
-
vienne
But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death. - Deuteronomy 18:20
-
40
PIMI wife told to go against her husband and take the vaccines?
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inif a pimi sister has been told by her unbelieving husband not to take these experimental vaccines then what is official jw policy in this situation?.
should she go against her husband and tell him i will do what the men at my church tell me?.
what on earth will the husband think then?
-
-
vienne
I'm not married and not considering marriage at this time. However, no husband of mine would successfully tell me what to do with my health decisions. Period.
-
32
C.T. Russell, Occultist
by metatron inone aspect of the watchtower's history that has never been.
adequately explained is russell's fascination with the occult.. the end of the 19th century saw the prominence of many occult.
were obsessed with egyptian symbols and magick based on the.
-
-
vienne
British and Continental Literalism predates Millerite Adventism by centuries. If we define Adventism as any belief in the near return of Christ, then yes, Russellism is Advenism. However, Adventists and Literalists in the Russell era strongly rejected each others theology. Literalists refused the designation Adventist. This continues though with different designators. Fundamentalists believe in the ear return of Christ. We do not define them as Adventists, and in fact, they are not. They stand in the Literalist tradition.
When in 1881 a small congregation in Kingston, New York, was described as Adventist one of their members responded to the local newspaper:
Lest the grave charge of numerical insignificance be inadequate to the complete extinction of a ‘half dozen’ religious worshipers, they must be brought into the inquisition again to be placed upon the rack and be thrust through with the deadly charge of being ‘akin to the second adventists’! We were not aware of any kinship existing between us and the second adventists, without it could be established upon the isolated truth of the personal second advent of Jesus to this earth. But mark you, if that isolated truth can establish a kinship between us it will also prove and establish a kinship between Rev. Dr. Lorimer [then a prominent Baptist clergyman] and the second adventists, and, by your curious and extraordinary method of gauging a man’s standing, it would place him, as well as the ‘six in the small upper room in the American Block,’ under the ban and the fetters of social and religious ostracism. For his sermon on ‘the future of Jesus’ is a scholarly, elaborate and eloquent vindication of the doctrine of the personal, visible and premillennial second advent of Jesus to this earth. [Original spelling and punctuation retained.] - The Halfbreed Church, The Buffalo, New York, Evening News, July 12, 1882.
Russell and millennialist clergy were careful to distinguish themselves from Millerite Adventism. The reverse was true. Adventists were careful to distinguish themselves from Age to Come millennarianism. Storrs left Adventism in 1844 but continued to teach the near return of Christ. L. C. Gunn, a prominent Millerite, wrote of Storrs' meetings in Philadelphia that: "These were the published views of Geo. Storrs. ... In these views they differed entirely from Mr. Miller and the great body of Advent believers in this country, but agreeing with the Literalists of England (Millennarians)." - Quoted in I. C. Wellcome: History of the Second Advent Message and Mission, 1874, page 382. For similar matter making the same distinction see for instance, Amos Sanford: Controversy, The Restitution, June 23, 1875.
This distinction is made repeatedly into the 20th Century. But more importantly, it was strongly made by Russell and Adventists when discussing the other's views. For instance in the July 18, 1877, issue the Advent Christian Times warned against their work:
"One N. H. Barbour, called Dr. Barbour, with his confreres, J. H. Paton and C. T. Russell, is traveling around the country, going everywhere that they can find Adventists, and preaching that Jesus has come secretly, and will soon be revealed and mingling in their lectures a lot of “Age-to-come” trash, all to subvert their hearers. They are not endorsed by Adventists, “Age-to-come” folks, or anybody else, yet having some money and a few sympathizers they will probably run awhile. They have been to Ohio and Indiana and are working westward. We are credibly informed that one of them boasted in Union Mills, Ind., a few days since, that they would break up every Advent church in the land. We guess not. Their whole work is proselytizing. The Lord never sent them on their mission. Give them no place, and go not near them or countenance them."
Schulz and de Vienne discuss the distinction at length, and they probe the origins of Age to Come Literalism. You should read the Separate Identity series. If we wish to be honest historians, we will acknowledge the definitions of each movement as they saw themselves. Defining any belief in the near return of Christ as Adventism is inexact at best. Do we call Campellites Adventist because Campbell strongly advocated the doctrine? Do we call Evangelicals Adventists because they see his return as near? Hardly. So do we define Russell as an Adventist despite adopting Literialism, a far older theology than Millerite Adventism? We should not.
I highly recommend R. M. de Vienne's introduction to volume 2 of Separate Identity. It's too long to post here, and I do not have permission to do so. But it is the clearest of all advocates for a distinction between Russellism and Adventism based on origin of doctrines, self-definitions of the various parties involved, and a detailed examination of those things within Russellite theology that are supposed to be Adventist.
-
32
C.T. Russell, Occultist
by metatron inone aspect of the watchtower's history that has never been.
adequately explained is russell's fascination with the occult.. the end of the 19th century saw the prominence of many occult.
were obsessed with egyptian symbols and magick based on the.
-
-
vienne
Pyramid stuff:
-
32
C.T. Russell, Occultist
by metatron inone aspect of the watchtower's history that has never been.
adequately explained is russell's fascination with the occult.. the end of the 19th century saw the prominence of many occult.
were obsessed with egyptian symbols and magick based on the.
-
-
vienne
Baal,
You didn't read what I wrote earlier. I'm seven months away from my MA (History). I'm not stupid enough to take what I write from secondary sources. Read the originals? I've read every Watch Tower from 1879 through 1925. All the Old Theology Quarterly tracts, convention reports and other booklets and tracts. I have them as originals or as scans of originals. My suggestion to you is that you read the material yourself and follow the trail left by cognate religions.
I should add that I'm Schulz's (He's the principal author of the continuing Separate Identity series) research assistant. That's B. W. Schulz, PhD, FRHistS. That makes me more equipped to comment on Russell's antecedents than you are. You've swallowed without critical thought what you've found on the internet. That has not served you well.
-
32
C.T. Russell, Occultist
by metatron inone aspect of the watchtower's history that has never been.
adequately explained is russell's fascination with the occult.. the end of the 19th century saw the prominence of many occult.
were obsessed with egyptian symbols and magick based on the.
-
-
vienne
Russell era doctrine was not Adventist, but Age to Come, the American designation for British Literalism. Russell had known contacts with Second Adventists, that is Advent Christian Association and Life and Advent Union advocates. But he adopted the doctrines of the older Literalist belief system that developed in Britain starting in at least the late 17th Century. It was the prophetic system he was exposed to when a young man associating with first Presbyterians and then Congregationalists. The pastor of his Congregational church was a student of prophecy, publishing a pamphlet on last times events and following the Literalist interpretive path.
The Separate Identity series examines this in great depth. As with all academic books, it's on the expensive side, but well worth the money. Full disclosure, one of the authors was my mom.
See the side panel on the history blog for links to the three books published thus far.
https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
The broader movement of which Russell-era Watch Tower was a part extended back to the early American Colonial Era. Again, see the above books. The research is superior.
-
32
C.T. Russell, Occultist
by metatron inone aspect of the watchtower's history that has never been.
adequately explained is russell's fascination with the occult.. the end of the 19th century saw the prominence of many occult.
were obsessed with egyptian symbols and magick based on the.
-
-
vienne
Most of Johnson's books are in my uncle's research collection, and I've read many of them. Johnson was undeniably intelligent, but he was another self-anointed writer. That clouds his retelling of events. A self-anointed person (or a small group within the body of believers) with a special divine choosing characterizes what historians call Christian Mysticism. This is not spiritualism, but describes sects defined by a belief that one or a small set of their number have special divine appointment and guidance. Sound familiar?
-
543
Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
-
-
vienne
On a church reader board: "To the thief who stole our air conditioners: Keep one; it's hot where you're going.
And no, I don't really believe in a fiery hell.