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  Russell's aleged freemasonry on JWfacts.com

  by NikL in

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  paul has written an interesting piece on jwfacts.com .

  https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/russell-not-a-freemason.php.

  anyway, it jogged my memory and reminded me of something i thought i would pass on to you.back in the late 80s i had the opportunity to chat with ray franz on the phone and i asked him about this very thing.he didn't say yes or no to russel's masonic connection but what he said was something like, "he is buried in the masonic section of the cemetery so draw your own conclusion.

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  Finkelstein, that would be my writing partner, B. W. Schulz. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5116004591992832/who-b-w-schulz-anyone-know

  Phizzy, give us examples. Cite the issue and page of the Watch Tower where he does that.

  Egyptian symbols were in common use when the winged disk appeared on Studies in the Scriptures. It was a fad called the Egyptian Revival. See TD's comment above.
  

  Name the exact doctrine Russell borrowed from Masons. Which of his many doctrines did he borrow? Cite a Masonic work that promotes a Russellite doctrine. give us the page.
  
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  Russell's aleged freemasonry on JWfacts.com

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  paul has written an interesting piece on jwfacts.com .

  https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/russell-not-a-freemason.php.

  anyway, it jogged my memory and reminded me of something i thought i would pass on to you.back in the late 80s i had the opportunity to chat with ray franz on the phone and i asked him about this very thing.he didn't say yes or no to russel's masonic connection but what he said was something like, "he is buried in the masonic section of the cemetery so draw your own conclusion.

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  Sparrow,

  We devote an entire chapter [chapter 4] in Separate Identity to tracing the origins of his theology. And you are right, the early Bible Study group [1871-1876] were heavily influenced by others, especially Literalist/Age-to-Come believers as represented by the religious newspaper The Restitution.
  
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  Russell's aleged freemasonry on JWfacts.com

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  paul has written an interesting piece on jwfacts.com .

  https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/russell-not-a-freemason.php.

  anyway, it jogged my memory and reminded me of something i thought i would pass on to you.back in the late 80s i had the opportunity to chat with ray franz on the phone and i asked him about this very thing.he didn't say yes or no to russel's masonic connection but what he said was something like, "he is buried in the masonic section of the cemetery so draw your own conclusion.

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  Pyramidology did not come from Masonic belief but from two British writers. The one most influential on Russell was Charles Piazzi Smyth. Russell circulated for a brief while a pyramidology book by J. A. Seiss, an American Lutheran pastor. There is nothing in Russell's theology that parallels Masonic belief or practice.
  
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  Russell's aleged freemasonry on JWfacts.com

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  paul has written an interesting piece on jwfacts.com .

  https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/russell-not-a-freemason.php.

  anyway, it jogged my memory and reminded me of something i thought i would pass on to you.back in the late 80s i had the opportunity to chat with ray franz on the phone and i asked him about this very thing.he didn't say yes or no to russel's masonic connection but what he said was something like, "he is buried in the masonic section of the cemetery so draw your own conclusion.

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  Franz, if he said that, was inaccurate. Russell was demonstrably not a Mason and he is not buried in a masonic cemetery.
  
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  Anyone have a scan of this ...

  by vienne in

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  about 1910 the brethren writer william d. forsyth self published a booklet entitled israel's greater faith contrasted with zion's watch tower.

  i need a copy to further current research.

  anyone?

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  Only copy we could find is in British Library. The cost of a photocopy or scan sent to USA is prohibitive.
  
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  Anyone have a scan of this ...

  by vienne in

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  about 1910 the brethren writer william d. forsyth self published a booklet entitled israel's greater faith contrasted with zion's watch tower.

  i need a copy to further current research.

  anyone?

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  About 1910 the Brethren writer William D. Forsyth self published a booklet entitled Israel's Greater Faith Contrasted with Zion's Watch Tower. I need a copy to further current research. Anyone?
  
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  Reaction of Governing Body Belies More than their Accusation

  by carefullyread in

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  a disfellowshiped brother wrote a letter of disquisition to the governing body of wbts a little while ago.

  it was not in any way nasty, derogatory, rude, blasphemous, or with profanity but it was civil, truthful, & very informative that some have described as extremely truthful to enlightening, an ebullient disclosure.

  i got to see some paraphrases extracted from it that have been circulating quietly or rather secretly passed around & i agree with the latter description.. the governing body was greatly perturbed, alarmed, to confused with this letter particularly as they became aware several of the congregation were also sent copies which some of the local congregational elders raised controversial questions about but mainly was dismissed by them without reading, to scoffing & ridicule but some also saw something more truthful to concern them.

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  The initial post, aside from its very poor grammar, is not credible without the letter. The writer is either from West Africa where this convoluted style of writing is standard, or he is not a native English speaker. He picks ostentatious words where simple language will do. This is characteristic of W. African media.
  

  In the past few years I've interviewed a number of more or less prominent Bethelites including one who handles correspondence. They seldom answer letters of the sort reported here. They ignore them. I would like to know what made a letter such as this upset them? I suspect this is contrived.

  The governing body are 'true believers.' They seldom see letters addressed to them. They're filtered out by staff. Individual dissenters [much nicer word than apostate, no?] do not concern them. The collective does because dissenting voices on the Internet have a reach that the Xeroxed and mimeographed letters of the 1940-1980s never had.
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  Maybe you can help with this?

  by vienne in

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  as some of you know, i'm not a witness, but i am the co-author of a series of history book that discuss the watch tower's earliest years.

  russell mentions a 'brother' van der ahe as an early days wt evangelist.

  we can't identify him.

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  Blondie, Yes, we have contacts among Bible Student groups, some of them very knowledgeable. They were unable to help.
  
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  Maybe you can help with this?

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as some of you know, i'm not a witness, but i am the co-author of a series of history book that discuss the watch tower's earliest years.

  russell mentions a 'brother' van der ahe as an early days wt evangelist.

  we can't identify him.

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  Yup, that's our history blog.
  
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  Maybe you can help with this?

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as some of you know, i'm not a witness, but i am the co-author of a series of history book that discuss the watch tower's earliest years.

  russell mentions a 'brother' van der ahe as an early days wt evangelist.

  we can't identify him.

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  They're trying to be helpful, Nathan. Research is similar to picking at flaky pie crust before you stab it with your fork. I appreciate their help. And I appreciate your support.