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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

It is obvious that Evans didn't leave the Witnesses because of an intellectual rejection of doctrine or practice. He ran away to avoid the consequences of his immorality. That makes his opposition to the Watchtower fraudulent.
Discovering that "it wasn't the truth" after being kicked out for immorality and stupidity is self justification. It is not intellectual honesty. Too many X-Witness activists follow this same pattern. They pick on anything to justify themselves. Find something in the 1940 Watchtower! It's a scandal!
Some youtube makers need a real life.
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France: Jehovah’s Witnesses take Miviludes to court.
by yalbmert99 in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
according to a european pro-cult website, jehovah’s witnesses take france's anti-cult organisation miviludes to court.

posted : march 16, 2022.. found on the site: foref forum for religious freedom europe.. .
vienne

Diog,
You mean Massimo Introvigne? Why is he your 'pet hate'? I've read some of his stuff. He has a web 'magazine.' I don't find it offensive, even if I don't always agree. My uncle B belongs to the same scholarly society as he does, but I've never asked him about Dr. Introvigne.
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Was 536 the Worst year in history
by pistolpete in
1. social
2. current
jws believe that today, the time we live in is the worst time ever in history.

i know cause i just had a jw tell me yesterday this was the case.

he pointed to covid, the russian-ukraine war, the high gas prices and the food shortage happening.
vienne

Fulltime,
My mother's constant criticism of the Watch Tower was that they failed to educate their clergy. My mom was a long-time teacher, one time professor, and exceptionally well educated. She spent a good portion of her life analyzing WT beliefs and practices. I have read their 'material,' their kingdom ministry school texts and such, and I have to agree.
My grand uncle and a few other Witnesses I've met are exceptions. Two of my uncles by marriage are elders, both college educated prior to conversion. The congregation I sometimes attend [to take notes and enjoy the people - They're quite nice] is populated with more college graduates than normal for Witness groups. But I would say only two of their elders are capable of handling complex situations. Being a teacher, an electrical engineer, and a scientist - the professions of those elders - does not equip one to deal with complex mental and social issues.
Mom knew some of the WT Society 'big boys' and thought them very competent. I don't know any of them. My impression is that other than making videos, they hide out.
11530
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

I see that someone, maybe the same person, down votes criticism of Lloyd. That someone should speak his piece. Tell us why he approves of Lloyd despite his self-revelations.
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Was 536 the Worst year in history
by pistolpete in
1. social
2. current
jws believe that today, the time we live in is the worst time ever in history.

i know cause i just had a jw tell me yesterday this was the case.

he pointed to covid, the russian-ukraine war, the high gas prices and the food shortage happening.
vienne

FuillTime:
I've had the same experience. My Grand Uncle can tell you exactly what he believes and why. But my aunt cannot. To her "it's the truth and that's all I need to know." I don't know if that's a function of her age - about 80 - or her stroke. But it may be that she was once convinced and does not want to face the possibility of error.
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Was 536 the Worst year in history
by pistolpete in
1. social
2. current
jws believe that today, the time we live in is the worst time ever in history.

i know cause i just had a jw tell me yesterday this was the case.

he pointed to covid, the russian-ukraine war, the high gas prices and the food shortage happening.
vienne

Oh, I read Tuchman's book. Once when I was 12 and last year. Brilliantly written. I add my recommendation.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

The one thing Lloyd has done that is worth while is provide us with hours of entertainment. It's a Tragi-Comedy. I hope paetreon deletes his account. Then he can go back to window washing or what ever he did before.
11530
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

He patreon followers decrease a bit at a time. What puzzles me is the number of twitter followers he has. Do we really like watching train wrecks that much?
11530
It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
vienne

According to Patreon, Evans' support has fallen by just over 20 percent in the last six months.
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Watchtower publication says in Paradise we will fly around like Superman!!
by Witness 007 in
1. watchtower
2. bible
golden age aug 25th 1926 p.751 "negative gravitation...you may have wondered how accidents will be avoided in christ's kingdom, since we are told nothing will hurt or destroy.

scientist tell us there is enough atomic energy in one finger nail to propell a battleship.

the people of the future may carry some of this power with them.
vienne

Things like this are interesting, but ultimately they persuade no one. What Witness cares what was written fifty or 100 years ago, except to see it as a historical curiosity?
The Golden Age article cited above is actually in the March 24, 1926, issue starting on page 401. M. J. Adams, the author, starts the article by saying it is 'a fantasy' based on claims by a scientist. He acknowledges that his article is pure speculation and open to objection.
It is very similar to other science based speculations from that era. If we take things such as this out of context, we weaken our point.