They should have let it go years ago. But they're faced with the difficulty of changing all their prophetic views. A big and intimidating task.
Posts by vienne
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134How far do we get away from 1914
by PimoElder inhow far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.
they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .
with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.
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When did JWs stop reciting the Lord’s Prayer together?
by slimboyfat indoes anyone know what year?
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Interesting question. I didn't know they ever did that.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Simon,
Good idea. Most videos by former adherents have meaningless content. Some present themselves as academics. One older couple does that, videoing themselves in front of bookcases. Having many books does not mean you read them, and disorganized content shows that you did not or that your comprehension is poor. That you present something from a book, even reading paragraphs, does not mean that you're purveying fact.
Some videos are doctrinal. Fine. The presenter has a point of view. I have family who are Witnesses. I asked some of them to view a few of those, choosing those by clergy instead of ex-Witnesses. Their responses were illuminating. The "questions Witnesses can't answer" type of video drew ready and pointed comments. Those videos were not persuasive. They do not appear to have been meant for Witnesses, but to keep their sheep in the pen.
There are a few videos that pretend to present Witness history. Almost without exception, they do not work. They present false pictures of Witness culture. Dr. Chryssides new book should set the pattern. Or - yes he's my grand uncle - Dr. Schulz's books.
We need to stop the nonsense. What the Watchtower said 100 or so years ago persuades no one, though it may make some feel like it was good to leave. Many of those making videos were disfellowshipped for cause. They found "the truth about the truth" seeing it as justification for their bad conduct. This should stop. Finding something in the Golden Age and sensationalizing it is stupid. When the GA says, "according to the press" that's what it meant. The public press was full of sensational, often contrived reports. Relating what some newspaper said did not, and does not establish doctrine.
If you look you can find a report in GA about radio signals from Mars. Okay. Fine. But that article relayed what the press reported. Nothing more. Stop making scandal where it does not exist.
Simon, if you follow through with this make it academically sound. We need truthful material, not sensationalized, without obsessing on every detail from recent Watchtower letters, presenting them as some deep hidden secret.
Let's stop following the youtubers who sensationalize the commonplace. Let's stick to the facts; stop making myth. Interview outsider scholars, putting tough questions to them. Doubt everything. Verify.
We'll always have fruitcakes on youtube. We need to stop being gullible. The enemy of your enemy is NOT your friend.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Winston? I agree. He's deluded and has a criminal past he tries to hide with a suit and tie. But ... as with most videos by former adherents, his videos are pathetic, irrelevant and grating on the nerves.
But really? "Some just want to come after us to get attention drawn to themselves."
Could you think more of yourselves? You make many videos. And as with most videos by former adherents, yours are mostly irrelevant, meaningless, a function of anger with little worth.
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Nearly complete JW literature collection for sale
by jukief inas many of you know, alan feuerbacher spent 40 years researching watchtower.
during that time, he bought every item of watchtower literature he could find.
his collection is so big that it’s impossible for me to try to catalog it, although i might be able to get some volunteers to help me with that.
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I agree with smiddy. If his surviving relatives are desperate for money, list items individually on ebay. If you decide to donate it to an individual historian or to an institution, PM me and I'll give you a list.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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AudeS,
I agree. I can't see them pointing to exJw nonsense. They wouldn't want to send adherents off to an opposition web site.
Evans sees himself as effective. But as far as I can see, he has always "preached to the choir."
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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how would he say "judge my [sic] on my words ... but don't judge me on my hair"? Why he'd say, "My hair is a statement. It shows how deeply I reject watch tower teaching, and besides, if I brush it, I'll have to boil my brush to kill the cooties."
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Don't any of these men comb/brush their hair? And what about a good, clean shave? In Lloyd's case, his mind is as disheveled as his hair.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Lloyd earing more in the secular world? With what sill set? Politics? He's a liar but not an adept one. He could do Russian propaganda. It fools some, but most see it for the blatant lies it is. Russia Loony Lloyd?
Or he could make a fake health cure that everyone knows is fake and sell it on late night radio. But sell it as good for dogs to avoid the authorities clamping down. Brand it Dyno-Lloyd: Return a healthy glow to your dog's coat.
It still amazes me that 570 or so people still send him money instead of growing up and walking in the real world.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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RE: The crystal figurine. Ebay ask prices do not reflect real value. People gift or leave estates to the Watch Tower on a regular basis, including fine art. There is nothing proving that anyone at Bethel bought this. Evans is a moron.