I expect there would be more than Watchtower hidden files. Letters from the offended family, for instance? Anyone know their name? Anyone contacted them? There must be a forum member who lives in Australia who could persue this.
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51Is there evidence about Jaracz?
by Gorbatchov inread some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.
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Is there evidence about Jaracz?
by Gorbatchov inread some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.
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vienne
I can't see having any confidence in a youtube video. Where are the documents, no second or third, fourth hand claims?
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne ini just read this.
the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.
i recommend this:.
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John Jacob Ross was a Canadian Baptist clergyman. Though he claimed degrees he did not earn, he was educated enough to produce several doctrinal booklets. He was born in 1870 and died in 1935. Russell filed a criminal libel complaint against him which went to trial in 1913. After the trial Ross published Some Facts and More Facts About the Self-styled Pastor Charles T. Russell. In it Ross quotes from the transcript, omitting a key word to so as to have Russell claim to know Biblical Greek. In fact, all Russell said is that he could recognize some of the Greek alphabet.
There is a long story here. The book I mentioned in my first post tells some of it. Schulz and de Vienne [my mother] told some of it in both volumes of Separate Identity. Ross's booklet is still quoted by polemicists without fact checking. This makes them look rather stupid, and it makes them complicit in a falsehood. The only writer that I know of who revised their work to present an accurate quotation is Walter Martin in the revised edition of Jehovah of the Watchtower. Martin's books have other flaws and his beliefs were outside evangelical Christianity, but he was an honest scholar if not always a careful scholar.
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My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers
by MillennialDawn ini would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.
david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.
just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.
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vienne
I asked my grand uncle about the names on this list. He knew Manera and speaks highly of him. None of the others 'rang a bell' as far as his memory goes.
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne ini just read this.
the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.
i recommend this:.
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vienne
"people who want to make money selling "truth" are not to be trusted."
So all the Church run and church affiliated Bible Book Stores are run by charlatans?
The Watch Tower lost money. This was demonstrated with the Brooklyn Eagle case. Again. Read the transcript.
Russell? Fruitcake. But dishonest? Not in the way you suggest.
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne ini just read this.
the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.
i recommend this:.
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vienne
Buy the book I noted above. It contains what remains of the Ross transcript. Easy for you to do, and it's inexpensive. You can also find extracts from the transcript at truthhistory.blogspot.com
As far as Ross's ethics go, see footnote 236, pages 49-50 of Separate Identity, volume one: "Ross claimed at various times to have graduated from Woodstock College and McMaster University. While he attended both, he graduated from neither. An anonymous pamphlet published by members of the Vancouver Baptist Ministerial Association exposed Ross. (Statement of Facts Relative to J. J. Ross, D.D., Vancouver, B. C., 1926) See: John Byron Richards: Baptists in British Columbia: A Struggle to Maintain “Sectarianism,” Master’s Thesis, University of British Columbia, 1964, page 147."
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne ini just read this.
the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.
i recommend this:.
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vienne
I see you can cut and paste. but none of this is relevant to the Ross case.
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne ini just read this.
the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.
i recommend this:.
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vienne
Each denomination set it's own method of ordination. The charge that Russell wasn't 'ordained' was no more than saying, "we didn't ordain him, so he's not ordained." But the same standard was not applied by Baptists to Lutherans. It is a red herring.
The Brooklyn Eagle chose segments of the divorce transcript to help bolster it's case. It was being sued by Russell. So it was running a propaganda campaign. And as such, it omitted anything that refuted Mrs. Russell's testimony.
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne ini just read this.
the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.
i recommend this:.
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vienne
Wrong transcript. That's from the 1907 suit for separate maintenance. Not from the Ross trial. And it omits Russell's rebuttal.
In the Russell era, most pastors especially among Methodists, Baptists, and some of the smaller sects where ordained by congregation election. And most were not college graduates. Some branches of the Methodist Church did not require a university education until 1940. Russell was 'ordained' in the same way, that is by congregation election.
His doctrines were on the fringe. But ordination is a false issue. If we blacken Russell's reputation instead of refuting his doctrine, we fall into one of the worst of logic flaws. And as far was this section of the divorce [from bed and board] trial went, where does Mrs. Russell claim he was immoral? On cross she specifically said she was not making that claim. She also failed to call or get an affidavit from Rose Ball, whose address she very well knew, so all of this is an unsupported claim. Read the entire transcript.
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The King vs. J. J. Ross
by vienne ini just read this.
the author was one of mom's friends and an ethical writer.
i recommend this:.
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vienne
Unfortunately, Ross was a notorious liar. He claimed an education he did not possess and he purposely misquoted the transcript.