Nathan,
I understand.
Posts by vienne
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13Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians
by Paul Bonanno inhi .
who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.
paul.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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vienne
Your interpretation of the nature of man and your support scriptures to prove the trinity are off the mark. Nothing to comment on. You haven't proved your point in any scriptural way.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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vienne
If Christ's death provided mankind's ransom, but he really didn't die, how can we say there was any ransom?
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Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians
by Paul Bonanno inhi .
who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.
paul.
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vienne
An excellent access to original sources is through worldcat.org. Also, a surprising amount of material is on books.google.com or the 'archives' site.
Consult your local library about interlibrary loan.
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Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians
by Paul Bonanno inhi .
who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.
paul.
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vienne
Mom (R.M. de Vienne, Phd) and Uncle B (Dr. B. W. Schulz, FRHistS) wrote three books relevant to Watchtower history: Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet; Separate Identity, vol 1 and vol 2. (Each of them also wrote unrelated middle grade/ young-adult novels. Fun books)
The blog associated with the books is Truthhistory.blogspot.com. It's a marvelous resource though focused primarily on Russell era history.
Not noticed much but important are books by Alan Whitby. He's written Grave Matters (about the Watchtower cemetery); The Ross Libel Trial: The history of a 1913 legal case (includes transcripts); and The Hudson Davidson Debate (1896) (The first known debate involving a Watchtower representative.) His books deserve a wider circulation than they've had.
Harrison's Vision's of Glory is not on my recommend list. It's a personal narrative, and as that it might have some value. Her comments on Russell are "off" historically speaking.
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What is this?
by Achille inthis image is from "the watchtower" july 2024 (study edition):i can't figure out what that object is that is between the sleeping apostles.wath is it?
a stick, a scroll of the scriptures?
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vienne
Isn't that meant to depict the sleeping apostles? If so, that's probably meant to be Peter's sword.
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Whimsy
by vienne innot really about witnesses, but cognate.
see newest post.
https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.
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Not really about Witnesses, but cognate. See newest post. https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
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Did Watchtower Really Teach That Armageddon Was Coming in 1954?
by Jerome56 inin the march 2025 jw broadcast david splane in his morning worship talk mentioned that "some thought" that armageddon would come 40 years after 1914. such statements are usually meant to shift the blame of their own false predictions on to their members for speculating.
however, i was unable to find anything in print showing that such a thing was indeed taught by the society.
was this really a thing?.
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I called my grand uncle - I often refer to him as Uncle B - and asked about this. He would know, he was newly active in 1952. The short answer is, "No, the Watchtower did not teach this." However, private speculation circulated fairly widely. He recalled a couple who had been Witnesses since the early 1930s or late 1920s telling a young mother that her three year old wouldn't start kindergarten because Armageddon would occur in 1954. Apparently people reasoned that the 40 year periods in Moses life were prophetic, and since 1954 was 40 years anti-1914, judgment was at hand. To his personal knowledge some were 'counseled' over the speculation.
What an odd bit of history.
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New GB member Judy Jedele critizing Job's "humility" while wearing $20,000 Rolex, gold cuff links, coloured suit. Incredible!
by WingCommander ini swear, you can't make this shit up!
for years and years growing up in this cult, i had to constantly hear from my parents, from the stage, in the literature, about "keeping your eye simple", not being "materialistic", not "having a showy display of one's wealth.
" of course, this never seemed to apply to the wealthy business owning elduhzzzz who ran and lorded it out over the congregations, but i digress.
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My grand uncle, a long-time elder, wears a very expensive vintage gold watch. He's a retired teacher. Not rich. The watch was a gift. It was also a thrift store find. My aunt found it and paid thirty-five dollars. Don't presume things, turning them into "facts."
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New GB member Judy Jedele critizing Job's "humility" while wearing $20,000 Rolex, gold cuff links, coloured suit. Incredible!
by WingCommander ini swear, you can't make this shit up!
for years and years growing up in this cult, i had to constantly hear from my parents, from the stage, in the literature, about "keeping your eye simple", not being "materialistic", not "having a showy display of one's wealth.
" of course, this never seemed to apply to the wealthy business owning elduhzzzz who ran and lorded it out over the congregations, but i digress.
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Doesn't look like a rolex.