Our Catholic troll is unable to argue based only on Scripture. He is afraid to discuss scripture alone. This is pity worthy. But it mirrors the Scribes and Pharisees.
Posts by vienne
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226The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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The Big Secret
by finishedmystery inwhen the gb brought a formal end to all the type/antitypes in so many ways it could be said that they brought the religion to an end.
the other sheep/anointed teaching that leads to a two class religion was originally based on two antitypes--the jehu/jehonadab relationship and something about the cities of refuge.
in that 2014 annual meeting talk david splane even specifically stated that the cities of refuge has no antitype.
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vienne
Somewhat factually incorrect. The two classes theory was derived from a Brethren and an Anglican writer and not based on a type. Types were used later to bolster the theory. The Brethren was William Trotter. [Plain Papers, first chapter]. The Anglican was Dunbar Isidore Heath [The Future Human Kingdom]
You may also want to consult Schulz and de Vienne, Separate Identity, volume 2, chapter two.
The type/antitype hermeneutic as expressed through Rutherford-Knorr-Franz entered Watchtower theology in 1918 when Rutherford replied in kind to PSL Johnson's articles about Jeremiah's prophecy. The recent move away from it is a return to the Watchtower's literalist roots.
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Re: Russell's connection to Masons and Secret Societies
by Enlightened1 inour history is not what we have been taught.
the golden dawn history.
we see that russell was involved with freemasonry and used freemasonry symbols on his earlier magazines.
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Our Cognitively Challenged troll’s “proofs” as presented above are full of classically defined logic flaws. Most prominent of these is Argument from Absence (Ad Ignorantiam). She suggests that absence of evidence is in fact evidence. For instance, saying "there is no record of Russell being a member of any Lodge" implies that he was a member and the lack of any documented proof is in itself proof that he was. This is moronic. Absence of evidence is not evidence.
A subset of Ad Ignorantiam argument is “Cherry-Picking Evidence,” a selective use of information. She presents a series of statements that have no or questionable worth as evidential matter.
False Dichotomy: Her statements create a false sense of dichotomy where one might think that, since there is no documented proof provided by the organization, it implies an absolute proof that the Watchtower is hiding ‘something.’
Ignoring Counterevidence: Our mental case fails to deal with substantial evidence that Russell was not a Mason.
Aside from the logic flaws I’ve noted here, she has through these ‘discussions’ failed to clearly state why she was disfellowshipped, evasively stating that she disagreed with those in authority. She denied being EasyPrompt, though later implying she was. She has suggested that she is God’s messenger, though her thought processes suggest she’s an escaped mental patient. Probably flushed her meds again. And as a bit of humor, she persists is thinking I’m a Witness or a former Witness, and she confuses me with my mother.
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Re: Russell's connection to Masons and Secret Societies
by Enlightened1 inour history is not what we have been taught.
the golden dawn history.
we see that russell was involved with freemasonry and used freemasonry symbols on his earlier magazines.
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vienne
all that is irrelevant, off point, and proves NOTHING
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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vienne
Sea, that's totally unscriptural. It contradicts Ecclesiastes, "the dead know nothing."
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Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians
by Paul Bonanno inhi .
who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.
paul.
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vienne
Nathan,
I understand.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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vienne
Your interpretation of the nature of man and your support scriptures to prove the trinity are off the mark. Nothing to comment on. You haven't proved your point in any scriptural way.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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vienne
If Christ's death provided mankind's ransom, but he really didn't die, how can we say there was any ransom?
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Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians
by Paul Bonanno inhi .
who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.
paul.
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An excellent access to original sources is through worldcat.org. Also, a surprising amount of material is on books.google.com or the 'archives' site.
Consult your local library about interlibrary loan.
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Top Jehovahs witnesses Historians
by Paul Bonanno inhi .
who do you think are the best historian/historians about the history of jehovahs witnesses?.
paul.
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vienne
Mom (R.M. de Vienne, Phd) and Uncle B (Dr. B. W. Schulz, FRHistS) wrote three books relevant to Watchtower history: Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet; Separate Identity, vol 1 and vol 2. (Each of them also wrote unrelated middle grade/ young-adult novels. Fun books)
The blog associated with the books is Truthhistory.blogspot.com. It's a marvelous resource though focused primarily on Russell era history.
Not noticed much but important are books by Alan Whitby. He's written Grave Matters (about the Watchtower cemetery); The Ross Libel Trial: The history of a 1913 legal case (includes transcripts); and The Hudson Davidson Debate (1896) (The first known debate involving a Watchtower representative.) His books deserve a wider circulation than they've had.
Harrison's Vision's of Glory is not on my recommend list. It's a personal narrative, and as that it might have some value. Her comments on Russell are "off" historically speaking.