Posts by matt2414

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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?

by EdenOne in

in a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.

naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.

but i'm interested in hearing yours.

matt2414

This topic about whether God has an earthly organization reminds me of the discussion between Jesus and the Samaritan woman at John 4. She said: " Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem." Apparently both groups were claiming that God had an earthly organization, but Jesus was about to settle the matter. He said: “Woman, believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem." He couldn't have been clearer.

God would never again need an earthly organization, neither on Mt. Gerazim, in Jerusalem, Brooklyn, Patterson, or any other place the JWs decide to plant their headquarters. Why? Jesus succintly explains: " Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. " For emphasis, he repeats himself: " God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” Spiritual people worship a spiritual God. Fleshly people worship fleshly organizations.

In Jesus' words, "true worshippers" do not need any earthly organization telling them how to please God. Those who feel the need to worship God through organizations made up of men are not the kind of worshippers God is looking for. To teach otherwise is to go against the teachings of Christ.

There.

Settled.

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Does the GB Call God a Liar?

by TTATTelder in

is the governing body defaming god's name?.

doesn't the claim to be "spirit-directed" and to be "jehovah's organization", to only turn around and spread falsehood (aka old light), actually indirectly call god a liar?.

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matt2414

Here's my two cents on this topic:

YES, they DO call God a liar. That's why I left the organization, because I didn't want to be complicit in their grand lies. Every time they make a doctrinal claim and say it is new light from God, and then turn around a few years later and change it again ... well, they are basically calling God a liar. They never make any apology to God or the congregation for their failed interpretations and misrepresentations of Him. They let Him take the blame, while they spend so much ink in trying to protect their name as the "Governing Body" and "Faithful and Discreet Slave." Just like Paul publically rebuked Peter, the GB members responsible for doctrinal lies should be publically exposed and even removed.

If they were really familiar with the scriptures, they would know Paul's words at Romans 3:4: "Let God be true, but every MAN a liar." This means that the GB members are the real liars. And when you apply Jesus' words at John 8:44 ("You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father ... there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.") this makes the GB/FDS children of Satan. They are so busy making a name for themselves that they have lost sight of the real message of the Bible. According to these and many over verses, those who continue to follow the GB as their minions will find themselves in the situation described at Rev. 21:8: "All liars will find themselves in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."

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In effect the GB says the new testament was only written for the 144k - right?

by Comatose in

because if you just read it then its plain that all should partake of the emblems and go to heaven etc.

they get around that by saying it only applied to those when written who all anointed and then a small group today.

so they take away the bible for the average witness.

matt2414

Of course, if the NT was written only for the anointed, then the anointed should be the ONLY ones required to go door to door. Jesus only told his soon-to-be-anointed followers to "Go, therefore, and make disciples," did he not? He was not addressing the so-called "great crowd." There's no evidence that anyone other than the apostles did the bulk of the preaching in the first century. Yet, the GB pawns off their self-declared responsibility onto those who don't even have a heavenly hope, especially forcing this burden on women who have no say-so in the congregation. No matter how they spin it, there's no scriptural support for underlings doing all the work. Their words and actions (or lack of action) are reprehensible and despicable.

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Heart bypass surgery & blood

by Twitch in

my father had an angioplasty this morning and was admitted immediately for coronary artery bypass surgery due to major blockages found.. how likely or necessary is a blood transfusion for this?.

what's the latest policy on blood?.

i realize there's likely a thread or two dedicated to the subject but i'm looking for the short answer from those in the know, at least on the latter.. i only found out this morning and am heading to the hospital now.

matt2414

My partner had to have quadruple bypass surgery in November. Apparently they lowered the temperature of the operating room to slow his heart rate and gave him blood volumne expanders before putting him on a heart-lung machine. Afterward, he looked very -- and I mean VERY -- puffy and bloated in the ICU, but the doctor told us he lost very little blood. During the next couple of days in recovery, they began draining off the excess fluid (expanders) until he regained his normal appearance. We were told that the surgeon tries to avoid giving blood because it tends to slow the recovery process. My partner was 45 at the time and has recovered very nicely. He's basically back to his normal routine now, but trying to eat better and excercise more because of his family's predisposition toward clogged arteries. I wish you well.

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Why the "New Light" in the July 15 Watchtower?

by Indian Larry in

it seems to me that in the past large flashes of "new light" have come when the governing body was backed into a corner.

for example the multiple re-defining of what a generation is until it ended up the ridiculous "overlapping" meaning.. what is the reason this time?

are they worried because the number of partakers has been going up?

matt2414

Since the Governing Body has been wrong about dozens of Scriptures, isn't it likely that they are also misinformed about the "new light" at Proverbs 4:18? For example, based on the number of Witnesses who have left that false religious group after gradually "seeing the light," wouldn't this verse really apply to them, and not as the crutch the GB regularly uses as they continually change their doctrine to save face? Just wondering ...

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Why no females on the governing body but ok to be one of annointed

by not bitter in

so why not female governing body?

why not female anything?

i mean, i kind of know the answer.

matt2414

Also women, especially married ones, have no personal identity among the Witnesses. For example, if your name is Sara Smith and your husband's name is Wolfgang Smith, you are now Mrs. Wolfgang Smith, because you are your husband's property. Forget about keeping your own last name; that rarely, if ever, happens. If you are called before a judicial committee, your husband has a right to be present. If your husband cheats on you and he is called before a judicial committee, you are not invited. None of this, by the way, is based on anything God or Jesus commands. It's based on the misogynistic practices of ancient times, and women-hating views and opinions of a few Bible writers. (See mindnumbed's comments for examples.)

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Slowly Awakening at the DC 2013

by breakfast of champions in

so after the district convention was over, i asked my wife what her overall impression was.

she said, "maybe something has changed, or maybe it's your influence that i see things differently now, but a lot of those talks sounded more threatening than anything.

not loving, not really hopeful, just threatening.

matt2414

breakfast of champions, I haven't been to the DC, nor do I plan to attend, but was wondering, In what way did the program sound more threatening? Was it "Be obedient or you'll be disfellowshipped," "Follow the rules or God will punish you" or was it something else? I'm just wondering how the Watchtower leaders are now "lording it over" the laity these days.

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The beroeans....listening to antichrists?

by msconcerned in

w06 12/1 pp.

4-7 - testtheinspiredexpressionsconsider the good example of certain noble-minded people who lived in the city of beroea in the first century.

they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the scriptures daily as to whether these things [spoken by paul and silas] were so.

matt2414

The antichrists today are the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. Every time they demand their followers to study Watchtower publications in lieu of the Bible, its various translations and the many scholarly and reputable encylopedias available, they are promoting their "counterfeit words" and not God's word of truth.

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Leaving the Borg > rebuilding your Life > How to erase your time as Bethelite, Missionary, FTS?

by BluePill2 in

so, here i am almost 5 years after the big exit.

life during this time has been tumultous, joyous and sometimes full of tears.

got new friends, social circle moving well (i am an outgoing person), new girlfriend (after messy divorce of jw wife), own business.. but i knew something would come back and bite me into my rear-end:.

matt2414

BluePill2, I faded about 8 years ago and have faced something similar as you. As soon as I set up LinkedIn, JWs started messaging me, wanted to link. Same thing on Facebook, which we use at work to announce and invite people to events. I just ignore all the JWs who want to connect, not even allowing one as a friend. I don't mention to any co-workers that I used to be a Witness because there are JWs who work in my building, and I don't want them asking questions, calling the elders or trying to get me to return. It's funny that among my co-workers I've admitted that I am gay and in a relationship with another man, but I absolutely avoid at all cost any talk about being a JW. It's interesting that I have had no problems from my "worldly" co-workers about being gay, but if the JWs find out that I'm inactive and used to be an elder and a missionary, I would have hell to pay from that hate group.

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12 Things the Watchtower does to stop JW's from using Critical Thinking Skills

by God_Delusion in

hi guys,.

have you ever wondered how the watchtower bible and tract society keep all the jehovah's witnesses in line?.

it's a simple concept really.

matt2414

Interestingly, while the anti-Christ Governing Body encourages its masses to blindly follow its lead, the Bible encourages Christians to use their critical thinking skills:

1 Thess. 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

1 John 4:1: Test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Acts 17:11: Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.