It's easier to be young and gay in the organization because you are indoctrinated with the idea that everyone else feels the same way and that it's all a "choice." But as you mature and become wiser the feelings never leave and your eyes open. Especially if you've served on a judicial committee "judging" individuals who have same-sex feelings. I know the problem exists, but I wonder how many have found the way out and, perhaps, websites like this. I'll probably try Reddit as suggested by Confusedandangry.
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Gay ex-JWs who were in special full-time service
by matt2414 inare there any gay ex-witnesses on here who were in special full-time service such as circuit work, bethelite, mts, or missionary work?
when and what country?
i was always told there were a lot gays in full-time service but it always felt very lonely.
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Gay ex-JWs who were in special full-time service
by matt2414 inare there any gay ex-witnesses on here who were in special full-time service such as circuit work, bethelite, mts, or missionary work?
when and what country?
i was always told there were a lot gays in full-time service but it always felt very lonely.
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matt2414
Are there any gay ex-Witnesses on here who were in special full-time service such as circuit work, Bethelite, MTS, or missionary work? When and what country? I was always told there were a lot gays in full-time service but it always felt very lonely. I went to the MTS and was assigned as a Bethelite and missionary to South America in the 1990s.
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Watchtower Now Considers Elders to Be Clergy Class
by Roger Kirkpatrick inmy father's uncle and spiritual mentor, benjamin ray kent, had been a deacon (ministerial servant) in watchtower founder c. t. russell's home ecclesia (congregation) in brooklyn, and also served as russell's personal secretary at brooklyn bethel.
after attending university my father served a 5-year prison term during world war ii, supposedly for his loyalty to god.
while his mother's proud and patriotic family disowned my father for his decision, it was his uncle ray who regularly visited him in prison.. that is the culture in which i was raised, and for much of my life, i took great pride in the belief that my father was a man of integrity to god.
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matt2414
This isn't surprising when you consider the Governing Body now claims the organization is a hierarchy and not a brotherhood of equals, as Christ said. Wikipedia even has the article "Organizational structure of Jehovah's Witnesses" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_structure_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses#cite_ref-1), with the first footnote pointing to the Cobb v. Brede court case wherein the Watchtower lawyer admitted, "We are a hierarchical religion structured just like the Catholic Church."
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Defend Jehovah's Witnesses.. False claim from opposers of JW's--Creative Day..
by James Mixon in"the creative day" how long was each day?
defend.
maybe this was posted before but i found this site.. search the above site.
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James Mixon -How do they get around this "So the evening and the morning were the 1st day and etc".
They used to teach that the "evening" referred to the beginning of the creative process when things would be unclear to outside observers such as the angels. "Morning" referred to the end of the process when it would become clear what God had created. They claimed the process of each "day" was 7,000 years. Of course this is merely supposition considering there are no eyewitnesses around from that time period to declare otherwise.
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2016-03-11 US BOE Re: 2016 Bethel Visitors Information
by wifibandit inmarch 11, 2016 to all congregations in the united states branch territory re: 2016 bethel visitors information
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I remember a few years ago a fellow Bethelite at WT Farms was waiting for her Bible student to show up and take the tour. When she arrived she was dressed like the Statue of Liberty, wearing a robe and crown and holding a torch. The Bethelite was so embarrassed she tried to take her student to isolated places around the farm so no one would see her. I just laugh when I think about it now. -
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Bethelities, GB field service?
by James Mixon inthe time they actually spend knocking on doors and cart work??
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Are baptisms under the age of 18 valid? Can one baptised/dedicated prior actually be dfed according to law?
by EndofMysteries inin a business law class i've been learning all about contracts.
i wonder if for all of those who were baptized prior to the age of 18, if the wt/elders could be forced on our insistence that our dedication/baptism as a minor was made without proper mental capacity and that it be declared invalid, henceforth having never been baptized then family,etc, would be free in wt's eyes to treat as any non-jw vs shunning as an ex-jw.
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"Even so, you went along with it all this time. Your actions since show you are in agreement."
It's ironic. When the Governing Body knowingly covers up the actions of thousands of pedophiles worldwide over several years, don't their actions also show they are in agreement? Hmmm, you can't have it both ways.
Psalms 50: 18, 21-22
"When you see a thief, you approve of him, and you keep company with adulterers. ... When you did these things, I remained silent, so you thought that I would be just like you. But now I will reprove you, and I will state my case against you. Please consider this, you who forget God, so that I may not tear you to pieces with no one to rescue you."
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Impressions of the Governing Body; who's smart, who ain't?
by Room 215 inbased on what we've seen, it seems to me that of the seven, splane and jackson are the smartest; herd, lett and morris the least intelligent; and sanderson and losch somewhere in the middle.
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what's your impression?.
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Isn't Geoffrey Jackson the GB member who struggled to come up with coherent and reasonable answers in August when he was questioned by the Royal Commission that was investigating the Australian Branch's massive cover-up of over one thousand pedophiles? He came off looking like an idiot, incapable of explaining a few Bible texts and unable to defend the Watchtower's twisted interpretation of scripture. -
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What do the words "An AVR Community" on the sign of the Rivercrest at Fishkill, Luxury Apts. mean?
by oppostate inwhat do the words "an avr community" mean on the sign of the rivercrest at fishkill, luxury apts.
that the wt just purchased not long ago for us$ 57 million?.
[link to wt sign at the entrance to rivercrest luxury apts.].
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matt2414
According to the Poughkeepsie Journal, "Rivercrest is a modern development west of Route 9D just north of Beacon and was a project of AVR Realty, which also developed other housing and commercial spaces in that area as well as projects in eight states" (12/23/2014) -
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John 21:23 a new argument for JW's regarding false prophecy promoted being OK
by ILoveTTATT2 ini want as many minds put into this as possible.. there is a new argument among the extreme jw apologists, saying that even the disciples promoted mistakes.
they base themselves on john 21:23. keep in mind, i am not a believer but i want the answer from a believer's standpoint, please.. .
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matt2414
There are at least two major points that can be made here, both of which condemn the JW org:
1) If the early brothers made a mistake, it was just one mistake. In the org's own words, it wasn't a "practice of sin." On the other hand, how many mistakes has the GB made over the years? A dozen? Two dozen? Four dozen? Am I getting warm yet? There is no comparison in this verse with what the GB has done since the time of Rutherford. Not even close.
2) If God didn't punish the first century Christians for their occasional wrong thinking and speech, why do the Witnesses disfellowship individuals who they claim are not thinking and speaking in agreement with what the GB says? Why are individuals dealt with so harshly for disagreeing with certain doctrinal points that the GB will eventually change later anyway?
The governing body has unknowingly opened a can of worms with this verse. They are actually condemning themselves and revealing Pharisaic behavior, just like wolves attacking god's flock.