i wish i could say i found this but i saw it in a vid from watchtower examination.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7ertncbsk.
in it he points out that in the reference bible used by jws they admit that jesus and jehovah are the same thing.. so i looked it up online on jw.org.
yep it's there.. 1 peter 3:15. but sanctify the christ as lord* in your hearts,+ always ready to make a defense+ before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper+ and deep respect.*.
This is to say that when the JW Bible with references has "Jehovah God" in the footnote, it does not refer to Jesus.
Okay...Not sure I get what you are saying.
The footnote says ...
“The Christ as Lord,” אABC; TR, “the Lord God”; J7,8,11-14,16,17,24, “Jehovah God.”
when referring to proclaiming "Christ as Lord". So it is saying Jesus Christ is "Jehovah God" no?
Maybe I am not reading the format of the footnote correctly?
i wish i could say i found this but i saw it in a vid from watchtower examination.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7ertncbsk.
in it he points out that in the reference bible used by jws they admit that jesus and jehovah are the same thing.. so i looked it up online on jw.org.
yep it's there.. 1 peter 3:15. but sanctify the christ as lord* in your hearts,+ always ready to make a defense+ before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper+ and deep respect.*.
I wish I could say I found this but I saw it in a vid from watchtower examination...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK7ErTnCbSk
In it he points out that in the reference bible used by JWs they admit that Jesus and Jehovah are the same thing.
So I looked it up online on JW.org
Yep it's there.
1 Peter 3:15
But sanctify the Christ as Lord* in YOUR hearts,+ always ready to make a defense+ before everyone that demands of YOU a reason for the hope in YOU, but doing so together with a mild temper+ and deep respect.*
Click the asterisk by lord and this comes up...
“The Christ as Lord,” אABC; TR, “the Lord God”; J7,8,11-14,16,17,24, “Jehovah God.”
Do you see what I see?
Anyone have a good JW explanation for that?
so jesus said in acts 1:8 .... you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in jerusalem,+ in all ju·deʹa and sa·marʹi·a,+ and to the most distant part* of the earth.. .
witnesses of jesus and not jehovah.
so i was a witness for years.
LostGeneration 10 hours ago
Check some of Searchers threads if you really want your mind blown. Literally dozens of scriptures that all apply to Jesus, while all along you thought they were about the other big J
I have a list of scriptures I am slowly going through and meditating on that I got from Searcher. He is THE MAN (or woman I dunno) but they have their stuff together that's for certain.
This scripture just struck me because they (The JWs) harp and harp about bearing witness to the big J (as LostGeneration put it) But this is so plain and simple...no mental gymnastics to jump through, no complicated theology to learn.
Either Jah has blinded me and I am just mentally diseased or Jesus has opened my eyes.
Maybe it's a little of both. I guess time will reveal.
so jesus said in acts 1:8 .... you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in jerusalem,+ in all ju·deʹa and sa·marʹi·a,+ and to the most distant part* of the earth.. .
witnesses of jesus and not jehovah.
so i was a witness for years.
So Jesus said in Acts 1:8 ...
you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you,+ and you will be witnesses+ of me in Jerusalem,+ in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a,+ and to the most distant part* of the earth.
Witnesses of Jesus and not Jehovah. Unless they are one and the same?
So I was a witness for years. I guess I was young and stupid but I never thought of that till today
we all know that one of the major advantages the society now has with everything being on its official website, is the ability to quickly change content when they desire.. so older articles that show them to have made mistakes, are simply re-written or edited...or even just deleted!
simple!
"nothing to see here...carry on".
Now that the WT can "update" their library on CD at will we will see more of this undoubtedly.
i've heard all my cognizant life that angels from heaven looked upon the daughters of men, took wives, and their wives bore giants called nephilim.. i've heard all my adult life about the book of enoch and why it's apocryphal and to be avoided.. so tonight i was curious enough to download an e-book and have a look, since dothemath had the thread about rarely used scriptures and the book of jude directly quotes from the book of enoch.. if jude quotes from enoch, shouldn't both or neither of them be canonical?
if you consider jude canonical, then enoch should be too.. hey, how many fallen angels were there again?
two thirds of heaven, right?
blondieo
I have not read Enoch's writings (do you have a good online source?)
"1 god, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a son, whom he appointed heir of all things..." hebrews 1:1,2. the wtbts/gbojw avoid reference to this scripture.
could be due to it undermining their claim to fds status?
maybe a good reasoning point with jw's?
Don't forget that JWs believe that those scriptures weren't for us "the rank and file". They are directed to the anointed.
i've heard all my cognizant life that angels from heaven looked upon the daughters of men, took wives, and their wives bore giants called nephilim.. i've heard all my adult life about the book of enoch and why it's apocryphal and to be avoided.. so tonight i was curious enough to download an e-book and have a look, since dothemath had the thread about rarely used scriptures and the book of jude directly quotes from the book of enoch.. if jude quotes from enoch, shouldn't both or neither of them be canonical?
if you consider jude canonical, then enoch should be too.. hey, how many fallen angels were there again?
two thirds of heaven, right?
Weird.
I was just looking at the same information at the same time you were posting this.
GMTA apparently. I share your reasoning that it must be an important book if Jude quoted from it though I SUPPOSE I must admit there is a SLIGHT chancce as breakfast pointed out the JWs and Fundies believe.that...
Just because it LOOKS like Jude is citing the book of Enoch, doesn't mean it is. There could be another source that both Jude and the Book of Enoch are both citing separately.
What I find interesting is that the JW position has always been the nephilim were angelic/human hybrids. The bible doesn't specifically say so...though Enoch does. So in this case it appears that there must be some "accuracy" to the book.
my active and in jw wife is up for reading bible together.
thing is she wants to use nwt.. i have problems with that translation as you my imagine.. just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the nwt?.
i know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-).
My active and in JW wife is up for reading bible together. Thing is she wants to use NWT.
I have problems with that translation as you my imagine.
Just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the NWT?
I know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-)
I am asking those that still read and study the scriptures.
wife and i have watched the whole series and just finished episode 7 last night.
personally, i am seeing a great deal more subtle and day to day similarities to watchtower than the obvious ones i already knew existed, ie shunning.
very eye opening and heartbreaking, even more so than going clear in my mind.
If they made a series of JW's & JW's watched & saw someone they knew telling the story they still would not see it. Only if their little toes were stepped on. It would be nice for a series to happen about the witnesses not to crumble them but for folks to make a choice to stay but not out of force. The Catholics were exposed and folks are still attending.
So very true! Especially the part about the Catholics.
