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The Study edition of Luke NWT Now on JW.ORG...great, now they dig even deeper into the pile of muck

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so had to check it out to see what it's all about.. what i got was more cloudiness.

as in luke 2:9.... suddenly jehovah’s angel stood before them, and jehovah’s glory gleamed around them, and they became very fearful.

the notes point out.... jehovah’s angel: this expression occurs many times in the hebrew scriptures, starting at ge 16:7. when it occurs in early copies of the septuagint, the greek word agʹge·los (angel; messenger) is followed by the divine name written in hebrew characters.

NikL

I would say that 99% of the JWs I know are not even aware of the issue of the NT not containing the divine name. They just don't get it.

You got that right. My wife is completely unaware that there is a problem even though I've pointed it out to her.

A God who is capable to create humans, is very well capable to protect His name. But He did not. Moreover, the name of His Son became the most important name mentioned in the NT.

A similar thought went through my head during today's talk at our hall when they read 2 Peter 3:18...

No, but go on growing in the undeserved kindness and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

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The Study edition of Luke NWT Now on JW.ORG...great, now they dig even deeper into the pile of muck

by NikL in

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so had to check it out to see what it's all about.. what i got was more cloudiness.

as in luke 2:9.... suddenly jehovah’s angel stood before them, and jehovah’s glory gleamed around them, and they became very fearful.

the notes point out.... jehovah’s angel: this expression occurs many times in the hebrew scriptures, starting at ge 16:7. when it occurs in early copies of the septuagint, the greek word agʹge·los (angel; messenger) is followed by the divine name written in hebrew characters.

NikL

So had to check it out to see what it's all about.

What I got was more cloudiness.

As in Luke 2:9...

Suddenly Jehovah’s angel stood before them, and Jehovah’s glory gleamed around them, and they became very fearful

The notes point out...

Jehovah’s angel: This expression occurs many times in the Hebrew Scriptures, starting at Ge 16:7. When it occurs in early copies of the Septuagint, the Greek word agʹge·los (angel; messenger) is followed by the divine name written in Hebrew characters. That is how the expression is handled at Zec 3:5, 6 in a copy of the Septuagint found in a cave in Nahal Hever, Israel, in the Judean desert. This fragment is dated between 50 B.C.E. and 50 C.E. It is noteworthy that when later copies of the Greek Septuagint replaced the divine name with Kyʹri·os in this and many other verses, the definite article was not included where it would be expected according to standard grammatical usage. This may be another indication that Kyʹri·os replaces the divine name here and in similar contexts. A number of Bible translations retain the divine name when rendering the expression “Jehovah’s angel” in this verse.—See App. C.

So I had to see for myself all the "many translations that render it "Jehovah's Angel".

Know how many I found?

Zilch!

Take Bible hub for example...

New International Version
An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.

New Living Translation
Suddenly, an angel of the Lord appeared among them, and the radiance of the Lord's glory surrounded them. They were terrified,

English Standard Version
And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with great fear.

Berean Study Bible
Just then, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.

Berean Literal Bible
And an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they feared with great fear.

New American Standard Bible
And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened.

King James Bible
And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Then an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.

International Standard Version
An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.

NET Bible
An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were absolutely terrified.

New Heart English Bible
And suddenly an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And behold, the Angel of God came to them and the glory of THE LORD JEHOVAH shone upon them and they were greatly afraid;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
An angel from the Lord suddenly appeared to them. The glory of the Lord filled the area with light, and they were terrified.

New American Standard 1977
And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the clarity of the Lord shone round about them, and they feared greatly.

King James 2000 Bible
And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were much afraid.

American King James Version
And, see, the angel of the Lord came on them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

American Standard Version
And an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And behold an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the brightness of God shone round about them; and they feared with a great fear.

Darby Bible Translation
And lo, an angel of [the] Lord was there by them, and [the] glory of [the] Lord shone around them, and they feared [with] great fear.

English Revised Version
And an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.

Webster's Bible Translation
And lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were in great fear.

Weymouth New Testament
when suddenly an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the glory of the Lord shone round them; and they were filled with terror.

World English Bible
Behold, an angel of the Lord stood by them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified.

Young's Literal Translation
and lo, a messenger of the Lord stood over them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they feared a great fear.

That's 25 translations. How many are there in English?

Maybe the WTs definition of "many" is different than mine?

Note the apendix c in the notes.

One paragraph from that is interesting...

The basic question that needs to be answered is this: Since the Tetragrammaton appeared in the original Hebrew text that was being quoted by the first-century Bible writers, did those writers deliberately substitute the word Kyʹri·os or The·osʹ for the Tetragrammaton each time they quoted from the “Old Testament”? Throughout the centuries, numerous Bible translators have concluded that such a substitution would not have taken place. Therefore, such translators have felt compelled to restore the divine name in their translations of the “New Testament.” The translators of the Christian Greek Scriptures of the New World Translation agree with that viewpoint

Which "bible translators" are those? I see no evidence of it.

There is also a footnote which reads...

A number of scholars, however, strongly disagree with this viewpoint. One of these is Jason BeDuhn, who authored the book Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament. Yet, even BeDuhn acknowledges: “It may be that some day a Greek manuscript of some portion of the New Testament will be found, let’s say a particularly early one, that has the Hebrew letters YHWH in some of the verses [of the “New Testament.”] When that happens, when evidence is at hand, biblical researchers will have to give due consideration to the views held by the NW [New World Translation] editors.”

The point being that it hasn't happened.

Lets use that argument about people that might believe the moon is made of cheese.

If someone goes to the moon and finds it is indeed made of cheese than the scientists will have to acknowledge the viewpoint of those that said it was made of cheese.

Lets say the tetragramaton was in use during the first century.

Did they say "god" or "lord" when they read it?

I put forward that they did. That's why the translators replaced it with kyrios.

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Book study this week...more trumpeting over the organzations greatness

by NikL in

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you know, there are some studies that are painful to sit through because of the blatant lies or bull shite spewing from the platform.

then there are those that seem to have no reason for even taking place.. such was the case for last nights congregation bible study.. all it did was talk about how many books and magazines have been published over the years and "aren't we wonderful that we print so much stuff"?

this is a study into important biblical things?

NikL

spot on outlaw...

Considering 95% of all WBT$ Literature ends up in storage, in JW homes..
If there's an Award for WBT$ Literature Hoarding..
JW`s do Deserve an Award..

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Book study this week...more trumpeting over the organzations greatness

by NikL in

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you know, there are some studies that are painful to sit through because of the blatant lies or bull shite spewing from the platform.

then there are those that seem to have no reason for even taking place.. such was the case for last nights congregation bible study.. all it did was talk about how many books and magazines have been published over the years and "aren't we wonderful that we print so much stuff"?

this is a study into important biblical things?

NikL

One of the cool/interesting things about going to meetings is now I can spot all the bullsh*t as it get dispensed. It's kinda like watching a show.

It gets harder to keep my mouth shut at some of the nonsense though. Even though I know it will accomplish nothing

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Book study this week...more trumpeting over the organzations greatness

by NikL in

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friends

you know, there are some studies that are painful to sit through because of the blatant lies or bull shite spewing from the platform.

then there are those that seem to have no reason for even taking place.. such was the case for last nights congregation bible study.. all it did was talk about how many books and magazines have been published over the years and "aren't we wonderful that we print so much stuff"?

this is a study into important biblical things?

NikL

scratchme1010

And you still come here promoting them, seriously?

What the hell is that supposed to mean scratch?

I've stated my reasons for attending the meetings with my still in wife. I realize you don't approve but then again I wasn't asking for it. There are plenty here who still feel they need to attend the KH for whatever reason and it's nice to be able to vent.

I fail to see how that is "promoting them".

Perhaps you would explain?

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Book study this week...more trumpeting over the organzations greatness

by NikL in

jw
friends

you know, there are some studies that are painful to sit through because of the blatant lies or bull shite spewing from the platform.

then there are those that seem to have no reason for even taking place.. such was the case for last nights congregation bible study.. all it did was talk about how many books and magazines have been published over the years and "aren't we wonderful that we print so much stuff"?

this is a study into important biblical things?

NikL

You know, there are some studies that are painful to sit through because of the blatant lies or bull shite spewing from the platform. Then there are those that seem to have no reason for even taking place.

Such was the case for last nights congregation bible study.

All it did was talk about how many books and magazines have been published over the years and "aren't we wonderful that we print so much stuff"?

Seriously?

This is a study into important biblical things? Give me a break.

Of course the pathetic dubs in the hall are chirping about holding records as the most widely distributed mags and most translated books like they personally are receiving an award or something.

Completely pointless!

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Interview with Paul Grundy On Radio Australia

by NikL in

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so this is from a couple of years ago but i happened to have found it in the podcasts from abc radio national in australia.. i thought it was an interesting interview and am passing it along in case it has not been posted here in the past.. http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/08/21/4297526.htm.

NikL

So this is from a couple of years ago but I happened to have found it in the podcasts from ABC Radio National in Australia.

I thought it was an interesting interview and am passing it along in case it has not been posted here in the past.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2015/08/21/4297526.htm

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If the "society" were a person, he would be disfellowshipped!

by stuckinarut2 in

that realisation struck me the other day!.

if the society was an individual person, he would be disfellowshipped!

well, he has had a history of telling mistruths, half truths and distortions of facts.

NikL

If the society were a person in pre-Christian times living in the land of Isreal he (or she) could get stoned as a false prophet as per the command in Deuteronomy.

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February 13, 2017 BOE Re: Memorial and Special Talk

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february 13, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: memorial and special talk.

NikL

stuckinarut2

How arrogant! "Please convey the love of the GB?" How about the love of Jesus?

Awww...that's so cute. You think Jesus has something to do with this event. :-)

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Feb 2017 broadcast hypocrisy and manipulation!

by stuckinarut2 in

oh wow!

if you haven't yet watched the feb2017 broadcast, strap yourself in for a ride!!.

( perhaps watch john cedars review of it on his youtube channel as it is better than watching the official one.

NikL

I just had the joy of watching this last night with my still in wife.

MAYBE in a sense they are telling the truth when they say it's all about free choice.

Everything they say can be taken as suggestions. If we choose to OBEY they're suggestions it is free will to an extent.

When we wake up to the fact that they are a crock, we no longer choose to listen to their stupid suggestions.

Of course our actions will have an effect, and that effect may be that we are marked or shunned for not following their "suggestions". Of course everyone who follows the WTs suggestions and shuns us is following their free will and making a choice to do it.

Me I think I am going to use my free will as suggested in the video. I am going to consider bible principles as it said we should.

I see nothing about shunning weak ones, I see nothing about having friends and associating with people who are Christians of a different faith. As a matter of fact I see LOTS of mentions of loving our neighbors and praying for our enemies and Jesus himself ate meals with prostitutes and tax collectors.

If some choose to shun or mark me, I will pray for their forgiveness for they know not what they do and I will get on with my life.