Our speaker did use the full point "Be willing to forgive others whenever there is a basis for doing so".
I was struck by that conditionality.
I failed to recall any scripture that makes such a distinction.
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by Nicholaus Kopernicus induring yesterday's public talk, i noted the speaker did not make a full reference to the first outline point following the second reference to romans 12:21 - "but keep conquering the evil with the good".this first outline point as i call it, is as follows: "be willing to forgive others whenever there is a basis for doing so".
interesting conditionality i thought!
it references the aw of june 8th 1995 page 10 paras 6-7. in part it says there... "what though, if others sin against us in a more serious way, deeply injuring us?
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Proper understanding of the Mediator & New Covenant
by Crazyguy inmediator and the new covenant.
the society has taught that only the 144,000 are to par-take of the emblems and jesus only mediates and died for them.
"he is the mediator between his heavenly father, jehovah god, and the nation of spiritual israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.
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As I was reading through your lengthy and well researched post I was struck by a thought that kept running through my head over and over again Namely, how can it be so freaking complicated?
Surely God and Jesus didn't intend for the message to be that way. The apostles were uneducated for the most part. This mumbo jumbo of the WT society requires mental gymnastics of Olympic proportions!
When you simply read gods word the bible, you get a completely different message. No matter what the evil slave in New York says.
Jesus died for all men to believe and be saved.
The message is so clear really.
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1 Timothy 2 says to "Pray for Kings and those in high postitons". Why don't JWs do that?
by NikL insurely the jaydubs have read these scriptures.. it seems pretty plain even in their own bible.. 2 first of all, then, i urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made concerning all sorts of men, 2 concerning kings and all those who are in high positions, so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness.+ 3 this is fine and acceptable in the sight of our savior, god,+ 4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved+ and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
5 for there is one god,+ and one mediator+ between god and men,+ a man, christ jesus,+ 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all —this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.. .
i looked up the word "intercession" and it is defined as.... intercession or intercessory prayer is the act of praying to a deity on behalf of others.. i looked for reference to this passage in the jw library and the article i found put the emphasis on "living a quiet calm life with seriousness and godly devotion".
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I think you nailed it once again Outlaw.
Blondie...thanks for the links.
They pretty much prove my point. JWs don't pray or make intercessions for anyone unless it's for the good of the congregation only.
Surely NOT hat Paul had in mind!
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1 Timothy 2 says to "Pray for Kings and those in high postitons". Why don't JWs do that?
by NikL insurely the jaydubs have read these scriptures.. it seems pretty plain even in their own bible.. 2 first of all, then, i urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made concerning all sorts of men, 2 concerning kings and all those who are in high positions, so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness.+ 3 this is fine and acceptable in the sight of our savior, god,+ 4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved+ and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
5 for there is one god,+ and one mediator+ between god and men,+ a man, christ jesus,+ 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all —this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.. .
i looked up the word "intercession" and it is defined as.... intercession or intercessory prayer is the act of praying to a deity on behalf of others.. i looked for reference to this passage in the jw library and the article i found put the emphasis on "living a quiet calm life with seriousness and godly devotion".
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Surely the JayDubs have read these scriptures.
It seems pretty plain even in their own bible.
2 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made concerning all sorts of men, 2 concerning kings and all those who are in high positions, so that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with complete godly devotion and seriousness.+ 3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God,+ 4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved+ and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 For there is one God,+ and one mediator+ between God and men,+ a man, Christ Jesus,+ 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all —this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.
I looked up the word "intercession" and it is defined as...
Intercession or intercessory prayer is the act of praying to a deity on behalf of others.
I looked for reference to this passage in the JW library and the article I found put the emphasis on "living a quiet calm life with seriousness and godly devotion". As if that part of the scripture wasn't there.
I can't recall EVER hearing a prayer asking for Jehovah blessing and guidance to be upon the president, prime minister king or anything else. Well, maybe the slave.
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Another recorded Judicial Meeting...
by NikL ini've listened to quite a few but for some reason, this one has me really angry.. my heart goes out to the young family dealing with this bull shite.. give a listen.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifkpiqigq9c.
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NikL
it's no wonder that many people say this organization is inspired and influenced from Satan the Devil because its attempt to divide people from Jesus Christ and his teachings
Amen to that Finkelstein!
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Jehovah’s Witnesses former members tell court they were subjected to "total control" From TASS
by NikL infrom tass the official russian news agency.. apologies if this has appeared on this board already.... http://tass.com/world/941007.
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From TASS the official Russian News Agency.
Apologies if this has appeared on this board already...
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Church gets own police force - are the Dubs next?
by SadElder injust read this article in the washington times.
other sites have similar stories.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/12/briarwood-presbyterian-alabama-megachurch-gets-sta/.
can you imagine the dubs with a sworn police force with arrest powers?.
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NikL
On a side note, they've started locking the doors at our hall after the meeting starts.
All the more reason to be late I guess :-) (oops locked out!)
No kh I have ever been into had fire push-release doors.
In California there would be a big fine for not having push release doors.
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Another recorded Judicial Meeting...
by NikL ini've listened to quite a few but for some reason, this one has me really angry.. my heart goes out to the young family dealing with this bull shite.. give a listen.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifkpiqigq9c.
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Stupid elder quoted 1 Timothy 4:1...
However, the inspired word* clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements*+ and teachings of demons,
Applying it to these people just asking questions about their religion.
He should have continued reading ...
2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies,+ whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage+ and command people to abstain from foods+ that God created to be partaken of+ with thanksgiving by those who have faith+ and accurately know the truth. 4 For every creation of God is fine,+ and nothing is to be rejected+ if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 for it is sanctified through God’s word and prayer over it.
Damn this pisses me off!
They were so nice and respectful too.
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Another recorded Judicial Meeting...
by NikL ini've listened to quite a few but for some reason, this one has me really angry.. my heart goes out to the young family dealing with this bull shite.. give a listen.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifkpiqigq9c.
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I've listened to quite a few but for some reason, this one has me really angry.
My heart goes out to the young family dealing with this Bull Shite.
Give a listen...
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No prayer at public meetings?
by NikL ini was doing some research on another topic and i came across this from the march 1950 watchtower.... absence of prayer at public meetings!november 17, 1949dear brother:answering your query of the 9th instant regarding the absence of prayer in opening and closing our public meetings:it is certain that the public does not come to our public lectures in our kingdom hall or elsewhere to hear us pray, but do come to hear the advertised subject spoken upon by the speaker announced as competent to handle it.
our exemplar jesus held many public lectures, but there is no record that he opened or closed any of them with prayer.
there is no bible record that he opened up the sermon on the mount with prayer, or those open-air lectures after which he fed the multitude, first the 5,000 and then the 4,000. but there is a record that when he thus fed the multitudes he did offer prayer of thanksgiving to god before breaking the bread and fish and distributing the pieces to the hungry crowds.
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Even the depth of writing has changed.
The above quoted articles are clearly intended for intelligent adults who have more than basic reading comprehension.
Today's stuff? Written for 8-year-olds - and then there are the "simplified" editions!
I keep hearing about the dumbing down of America.
That is for people who are outside the Org. who as a whole are encouraged to get educated.
Imagine what it's like within the Org where education is looked down upon.
The people in the writing department are products of this environment and the resulting simplistic articles are the result.