i see comments quite often like, "check your mail.
i sent you a message".
i usually get a message once every 2 months..
While I do not get much if any email, last one, one month ago and it was a brand new user (0 comments) asking me to email them a link to the PDF of Shepherding the flock book. I think it might have been a lurker trying to figur eout who I am.
Either way I wish everyone would just check their PM first when they log on, then they would not need a reminder to constantly check their Pms.
NJY
Love that little Freudian slip where he had to go back and add "Not" in the "I do not salute the flag(not)because I do not love my country"
NJY
share with us memories of the bizarre, funny, strange, what you hated, what you miss...we all have them.
(question..why the big to do between terms- convention and assembly .
Getting to see first hand how an attendant handles a brother who had wheeled his wheelchair bound son up to a "ADA marked" (Americans with Disabilities Act)area on a upper level so that he could hang his head over and see the drama as the view from the floor back row was not working for him due to his full body paralysis, I think.
I was thinking how nice of the father to make an effort to get his son to an area where he could enjoy the drama. NOPE, the attendant approached the father and told him that he was instructed to not allow anyone in that area, no exceptions. I approached the attendant and explained to him that this area was especially marked for people that are bound in wheelchairs, it is a federal law for these areas to be provided just for reasons like this. No, sorry, my instructions are not to allow anyone in this area. I was making more of a scene than the father as he said it was okay and he turned and started to push his son back the floor seating area on the back row where his son would not be able to see any of the drama. I carried on the conversation with the attendant a little bit more out in the main area and I could feel that was getting heated like I wanted to explode and he just walked off like it did not bother him at all. That is when I SHOULD have woken up to the lack of humanity in this Organization and started my research. It took me a few more years to start to wake up although I do think that this added to the straws that finally broke me down.
I just could not believe how unloving this rule was.
NJY
i've only been a member here for a short time, but it seems like there are more christians on the board lately.
for the first few months that i was on jwn, it appeared that there were very few that argued in favor of a creator and belief in the bible in particular.
there seems to be several more that have recently joined...or at least posted more regularly regarding belief.
I've wondered, on another forum,(JWR) why when we leave the WTBTS some stop at the next plateau and decide that Christianity is still good and where it is at while others decide to go the core, no beliefs in a omniotent being and decide to verfiy everything before moving forward in a belief system, it at all.
I wonder if there was a poll conducted, if the born ins tend to go direct to agnostic/atheist and the converted to JWs from christianity stop at christianity?
Possibly the born ins have christianity tied to th WTBTS so when they find it is a lie, they clean house entirely since the WTBTS and christianity are inseperable whereas the Converts have the WTBTS beliefs tagged onto their former belief in a God and Jesus etc.
How futile for a person to be taken to the cleaners by the WTBTS belief for all these years just to be so sure that they got it right this time, without really doing any unbiased research and are just making life altering decisions based on assumptions.
I'm the "get back to basics' kinda person and feel that you have to unshackle your mind from any preconcieved ideas about a God etc and remove any Carrot from before you to be able to make a informed decision. To quote Carl Sagan, "I donlt want to believe, I want to know"
I see "faith" as a bridge that is used to make the leap between lack of evidence. I do not see it as a good thing to have as I think that it allows the "user" to stop researching and looking for evidence to back up their claim for their beliefs.
NJY
my wife and i finally finished steve hassan's latest book called " freedom of mind " so i wanted to devote one more thread to it in discussing how to recognize phobia's in witnesses or cult members and some methods hassan mentions to assist cult members.. on pg.
146 hassan states, " a cult phobia is a man-made mental illness that is an integral part of destructive influence.
a phobia is a persistent, irrational fear.
marked
share with us memories of the bizarre, funny, strange, what you hated, what you miss...we all have them.
(question..why the big to do between terms- convention and assembly .
Of we could find the sister with the floating toe, we might be able to save her a lot of heartache.
NJY
so the fds does not include the apostles.
what part of the gospels aren't food at the proper time?
or am i just mixed up on who the fds are..
Who thinks that the GB spent numerous hours working out the " will this new light paint us into a corner?" They no doubt looked and twisted and ttweaked and re ran the outcome and questions that would have been raised due to this change. The real question that they should ask themselves if this is truly new light, why did you worry about the fallout? This is direct from Jehovah himself ad there will not be any fallout. Just your act of looking into this should prove to you that the idea of who the FDS is originates from men's minds, Not a gods mind.
A god does not need to CYA.
NJY
they sure know how to do weird entertainment in that country!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7n5ohnpled4.
What would have happened if someone pulled out a gun and blasted the little child? Who would have been at fault ?
NJY
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"It is better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all,.... except when it involves a cult member, in that case it is better to never have loved at all"
Jws love Jehovah first, all other humans take a second seat to the almighty.
I'm in no way saying to try to get back together with him, but he is in a cult and you could possibly get him to question whether or not he is in the correct religion.
If you were having sex with him during the time he was being considered for re-instatement, and even up to and afterward you could ask him how this could gods holy spirit approve of his re-instatement since he was involved in a sexual relationship outside of the marriage bonds.
You could feign interest in a letter to the elders to "clear your conscience before god" about your sexualy deeds with Brother X and lay it all out for then so that if for not other reason than to protect some of the other women that are trapped in that cult.
NJY
i am pleased to announce that candace conti, and her key lawyers rick simons and kelly kraetsch are planning a youtube video to answer any questions that people in our community may have regarding the recent conti v watchtower lawsuit.
i have offered to coordinate the gathering of these questions, and i thought it might be fun to do it in a "competition" style jwn thread, with the best answers being chosen by kelly, rick and candace to be addressed in the video.. as you can imagine, there are some provisos to this.... this is an active lawsuit, so for obvious legal reasons kelly, rick and candace will have the absolute and final decision as to which questions are answered and how much information is divulged when they are answered.we need the answers in the next 7 days, so the "cut off" for this competition is exactly 7 days from the time this thread goes live on jwn.we kindly request that all questions are asked in a respectful manner without any malicious or offensive intent.
any inappropriate questions will obviously be discarded and ignored.
Cedars, can't remember if Rick had a say in whether or not Patterson would be acceptable as surety in place of the bond, but if so, why would they object to this being used?
I know that purchasing the fee for the bond will cost them REAL cash out of pocket, 87,000 or so per year I believe, but would not the allowing of the Patterson facility cause more possible bad press for the WTBTS even if it was never had to be sold. I realize that they would never actually sell the Patterson facility to pay off the money owed to Candice Conti.
So if they had a say in what could be used as security, did they deny the Patterson facility to cause the WTBTS to lose money on the fee?
Also, where are they on the e for the bond, have not heard much about that lately.
NJY
