Posts by notjustyet

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Proverbs 4:18 as Last Scriptural Defense for New Light?

by ProfCNJ in

hi folks, good morning.

july 2013 wt study edition has been discussed and commented on at length here in jw.net and in cedar's blog (jwsurvey.org).

won't go to technicalities as significant amount of stellar arguments have cast doubt on the new light, let alone break wt's claims anew.. .

notjustyet

When a few elders showed up at my door in the past and tried to use Proverbs 4:18 on me to "relieve all that ails you". I asked them if

Proverbs 4:18 was a prophecy that was written to let us know here in this century that gods chosen channel would continually get things wrong?

No good comeback on their part.

One of them brought up "present truth" so I added the comment "if what is being taught now is present truth, then what was taught before if not "present, it must be ""PAST",... and if not truth, it must be,..."........" (I left a pause for them to fill in the blank) just looked at me and smiled, there was no way in hell that their mind would allow them to think "Past LIE" there mind would not let them go there.

NJY

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The final chapter in the confusedandalone story...

by confusedandalone in

this morning i get a frantic call from my sister (who has been baptized 1 year and one month and never attends meetings anymore).

in tears she tells me that this morning my father picked her up in the car and told her that i was am apostate.

that i no longer loved jehovah and that i was going to be disfellowshipped.

notjustyet

How is this going to fall out with the new Jw employee? Did I miss something here lately about that?

Use the meeting to go in and be decent, act if you have to, and record it and put it on here for all to hear what goes on in those backrooms.

If you do decide to go in and record, try to give some logical reasons to not beleive the the GB as gods channel. If they asked me the question about "do I believe the GB are gods channel" I would tell them that the onus was on them to show that they were. Then I would share the fact that in any other facet of the world, when a company or person has a track history of failed predictions wise people tend to use that info to make a determination as whether or not to decide to "do business" with them. Tell them that if it any other entity other than this religion, they themselves would NEVER decide to follow them. Its because they have so much to lose, if they are not true that keeps them tied to the WTBTS.

I feel that I may be coming down to a meeting like this in the future and am just rehearsing outloud.

NJY

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what is it with Watchtower "human apostates"?

by besty in

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/search?cx=partner-pub-4963413421914369%3ag5in7s-4bz3&cof=forid%3a10&ie=iso-8859-1&q=%22human+apostate.

this new phrase keeps coming up - any thoughts?

nothing yet on wol jw org .

notjustyet

I think problemaddict got it.

Satan is an apotate, right? Ex Jws are JUST LIKE Satan, but happen to be human.

So, in the minds of the loyal, brain dead, JWs, we are as close to Satan as a Human can be.

NJY

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old awakes

by doneandout in

jw
friends

we know that the cd stops at 1970 for the awakes.

so i was woundering if there are any interseting articles that come about in the 60's that are a must read if one could get hold of a copy..

notjustyet

From the main page at JWFACTS.com is this info.

Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15 - "If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years . ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!"

NJY

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JW New Bible

by JW GoneBad in

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friends

there's a lot of rumble in the grapevine of jws that there difinitely is a new bible that 'mother' is releasing at the upcoming agm.. it would be awesome if we could get a sneak peek at some of the changes.

sure would be nice if some of the lurkers on this forum who work at bethel in the writing, shipping or printing department could help us out.

this would really irritate 'mom'!.

notjustyet

Maybe the new bible will have a built in credit card reader for those impromptu "I would love to give, but don't have any cash on me at the moment"

NJY

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Wait on Jehovah - What does is it truly mean?

by ProfCNJ in

good evening folks!

we have encountered this advice countlessly on wt study articles.

this especially comes out to ease the waiting pain of brothers eagerly waiting for god's new world and the end of the old system of things - with all the sufferings that go along with it.. i also noticed this being floated to try to extend the patience of brothers who are jumping ahead of the organization in terms of thinking - as if they are pre-empting the organization on certain sensitive views and issues.. if a brother has gotten an idea or insight that is far more superior than the present affairs in the society, or regarded as way in advance - he can be branded as a brother "not in order".

notjustyet

Recently read where a poster commented that the "Wait on Jehovah" that the JWs use could be likened to the

"God works in mysterious ways" from non Jws. It's a way to "pigeon hole" those doubts that crop up from time to time.

Keeps the cognitive dissonance down to a minimum.

NJY

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New Arrangement: All Can Listen In to Bethel Annual Meeting

by Red Piller in

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friends

a letter read at our meeting.. .

our congregation is assigned a location (a nearby congregation) to listen (video, also?

) to the annual meeting.

notjustyet

If someone were to attend, they could stream this to http://www.ustream.tv/new which is a site that allows a iPhone to send video audio free to this site where we could all watch.

Check it out,... If you dare.

NJY

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Last night the one cool elder calls me

by confusedandalone in

i figured he was going to arrange the committee and try to get me kicked out after the whole "big pile of books" labelled "take this shit".. well his call made me realize that more and more people ... elders included no longer take this religion seriously.

after he told me he heard what happened he actually laughed and said i would never expect that.

he then told me that it is apparent that i no longer want to be connected to the organization.

notjustyet

If you really want to tee them off, give them the check with Loan Written on it and then when they deposit it, put a stop payment on the funds, leave them hanging. Not sure you might get into trouble on that one.

NJY

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Singing Listen, Obey & Be Blessed

by gingerbread in

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friends

recently attended the sunday meeting during the c.o.

's visit.

at the end of the final talk, he says the song will be 'listen, obey and be blessed'.

notjustyet

I think that that the "Truth in advertising" law should require the song to be renamed "Listen, Obey and be STRESSED" instead of blessed.

NJY

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Timing of the "new light" study and the upcoming annual meeting

by stuckinamovement in

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friends

i find it interesting that the 7/15 watchtower will be studied from september 2-29th and then the annual meeting will be exactly one week after.

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it strikes me as an effort to emphasize the fds and their role before a big announcement.. siam .

notjustyet

Outlaw,.

You mean "more newer light" sometimes pronounced as "Manure light"?

NJY