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  LONDON Kingdom Hall for sale - well, kinda!

  by darkspilver in

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  the sell-off of kingdom hall's in the uk is continuing unabated as we are about to enter 2017....in addition to the thirty-five kingdom halls highlighted by the search a couple of months back.....it seems the cry has gone out to: "sell them faster!

  faster!

  faster!

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  Gargamel

  Land and property prices, particularly in London, have escalated in recent years. If there is a post-Brexit price crash looming in the next few years (as seems reasonable), it could be very good business for them to sell now. There might even be a possibility of buying later for a reduced price.

  What's happening with the KH's may be more about a reaction to property prices than anything going on within the organisation.

  The move from Mill Hill to Essex is about comparative property prices. I imagine that the exodus from New York City is along those lines too.
  
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  Our first act of rebellion against the Watchtower.

  by The Rebel in

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  one day at art class, we were told we were to draw a naked woman.

  i knew as a witness this would be wrong, but i awaited the lesson in anticipation, it would be the first time i had seen a naked woman.

  i remember sitting at my esal waiting ten or fifteen minutes for her to appear.

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  There were many minor acts of rebellion as a kid from not polishing my shoes before the meeting to underlining random sentences in the WT (without a ruler - oh horror! :) ).

  However, my first public act was skipping a Sunday meeting as a 15? year old. I was with some worldly(!) friends and they were going to a motorbike scrambling event across a few miles of fields. So we all walked there and had great fun watching the dirt-tracking.

  Just to rub it in, we were all standing around chatting at the end of the road when my father drove past with his jw friends. That went down well, I can tell ya LOL.
  
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  Crisis of Conscience: December 12, 2015 - 50 weeks later

  by Jehalapeno in

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  on december 12, 2015 this statement was made by the copyright holder:.

  i am presently considering three different routes to publishing crisis of conscience.

  i hope to make a decision within days and plan to publish within weeks.. it has now been 50 weeks since that statement.. has the book been published yet?

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  It is a pity. I did offer to proof read a chunk of it, but received no reply. I can't blame anyone for that as they have no idea that I play it straight and wouldn't rip it off.
  

  I do hope that the work isn't lost as I know it has been a major turning point for some.
  
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  How does an elder become an elder ?

  by Drwho in

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  i was never a jw , so have millions of questions .

  please, how does an elder become an elder and how much trust does or should a jw put in an elder .?

  simon.

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  Gargamel

  "Hi . I was never a JW , so have millions of questions .

  Please, how does an elder become an elder and how much trust does or should a JW put in an elder .?"

  I can't speak for others but my father was a builder at a time when new kingdom halls were needed (before all that self-build stuff). I imagine that earned him a few brownie points. Let's say that it couldn't have had anything to do with spirituality.
  
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  How to argue with a JW who says the org never said the end in 75

  by dogon in

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  i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.

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  Gargamel

  They said it.

  I was there, though I left in '73.
  
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  Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz

  by Disassociated Lady 2 in

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  this book has been recommended to me a few times.

  is it worth reading?.

  how could i get a copy without paying the massive amount stated on amazon and ebay?

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  I used to have two copies of this. I gave one to my sister as one of her Christmas presents (oh the irony!), and the other I gave to another ex-jw. My sister was many years out at the time, but was still struggling badly with subconscious apocalypse syndrome (I just made that one up).

  Unfortunately, they are have been out of print for a while and the person who bought the copyright hasn't got around to arranging a re-print. Hopefully, the copyright hasn't been re-sold to the JW organisation, as I imagine they might pay a decent price for it.

  It was the book that started my sister's recovery. I had already debunked the myths by the time I bought the books. I had to wait several months for them to be shipped from the USA and when I received them, they had been opened (and re-sealed) by Customs & Excise. At the time, I think there was an import duty on books, but not if they were deemed 'educational material'. I guess that reading them must have been pretty educational for someone at the Customs Office.
  
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  I found my wifes new blood card

  by Steel in

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  i would like to say i am not in and my wife is a marginal witness at best.

  she doesn't say anything bad about the borg or live an amoral lifestyle.

  she just doesn't read the bible, or even the tracts anymore and generally has no clue about anything biblical or doctorial related.. i found my wives new card yesterday.

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  I know it may be wrong, but I would override someone's wishes on this issue - not that I'm ever likely to be in such a situation.

  I take the view that it would be acceptable to override in the event of mental illness - and I also take the view that refusing medical treatment on religious grounds is a symptom.
  
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  Why cant Judicial Committees be taped?

  by HereIgo in

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  i have never understood this.

  was it because of legal reasons?

  i cant think of any other reason why it wouldn't be allowed, but i know the elders ask you repeatedly that you are not taping.

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  Because their process is flawed.
  
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  Singing

  by skimthesurface in

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  despite not wanting to be a jw anymore and not being at meetings for a few months, still have k. songs coming into my head- both from old and new song books - usually whilst working.

  anyone else?

  how does it make you feel?.

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  I wonder what happens if you play those songs backwards.
  
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  America is F*cked. Maybe the UK Can Help?

  by snugglebunny in

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  maybe....

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  Gargamel

  My perception is that the EU is one of those things that crosses political divides. However, traditionally the Tories have been more Eurosceptic than Labour. Immigration seems to have brought a lot of the working class around to a more sceptical way of thinking.

  Trump builds walls. We brick up tunnels.