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  The Governing Body - Both sides of their coin

  by Ron.W. in

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  how many can you think of.... they speak for god.. it would seem presumptuous to say they speak for god,.

  they are neither inspired nor infallible.. they are god's only channel for issuing truth here on earth.

  they won't be apologising for any errors/falsehoods they have promoted in the past that fail.. congregation members must be quick and apologise for their errors to avoid harsh discipline/disfellowshipping.. when they change a major belief/doctrine you must not complain or criticise them.

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  iloowy.goowy

  This morning I had a toasted bagel with cream cheese and marmalade jelly for breakfast and realized how good life can really be !!!!!!!!!
  

  Amen! One JW friend of mine used to work in the Kitchen at Brooklyn then at Wallkill for years. Every time I'd question the WT's viewpoint on some things saying they seemed disconnected from the reality we are living in the real world, he'd excuse them by saying that they were living in an institutionalized and controlled system and so that guided their perspectives. He saw it as a protection for those in Bethel; I saw it as narrow-mindedness and he'd just shake his head.

  How freeing it is to be able to decide what you want to do, to eat, to drink, to wear. Uniformity at Bethel is only about control and conformity. And my friend would say living at an "Institution" is not good for some people. After a few years he married and had to leave Bethel, when their first child came along. I can't imagine how it would be for children growing up inside that type of institutionalized atmosphere. And yet we know some families did, such as the medical doctor's family and others with specialized skills.

  The WT is all about control.
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  How Saturnalia became Christmas

  by BoogerMan in

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  the transition from ancient to present and pagan to christian: .

  4th century ce, after which a new winter holiday began to be celebrated in rome: christmas.

  but how was the pagan festival of saturnalia celebrated, and how did it influence and morph into the christmas celebrations that we know and love?.

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  iloowy.goowy

  The bit about Christmas being a re-worked Saturnalia by the Catholic Church is quite bogus, Boogerman.
  Today is the celebration of the Immaculate Conception and also the first day of Hannukah (The Festival of Lights)

  Listen to this Podcast about the Origin of Christmas, it has little to do with Saturnalia and more to do with the Announcement to Mary that she would conceive a child by Holy Spirit, and this child would be the Light of the World. If you are a believer then it's very interesting that the Christmas holiday celebrates the conception of Jesus by the virgin Mary, and that the baby was born 9 months later in September as another talk by Dr. Michael S. Heiser brings out.

  Is Christmas a Pagan Holiday?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiURApsC1rc

  How does Revelation help pinpoint the birth of Christ?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X9zIFeGMH0
  
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  How's the 14,669 New Zealand brotherhood reacting to Steve's MIT talk?

  by was a new boy in

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  the latest.

  stkirsch24 minutes ago.

  there is no question: the leaked data shows the vaccines have killed over 13 million people worldwide.

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  iloowy.goowy

  There is no question: the leaked data shows the vaccines have killed over 13 MILLION people worldwide
  

  Oh, but there is a question. A big question, and that is why continue propagating nonsensical conspiracy theories and blatant misinformation?
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  Edgerton Gospel

  by peacefulpete in

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  2. bible

  regarded as likely the oldest (or tied with oldest) gospel fragment we have is that named the unknown gospel or the edgerton gospel.

  sadly it is very fragmentary.

  debates regarding it's relationship with the 4 canonical gospels have continued since it was found.

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  iloowy.goowy

  @Peacefulpete,

  Audiences are still gullible today. In modern days not perhaps in an agrarian way, but in the trappings of modern stories which turn out to be only fanciful conspiracies. Thousands, millions, tens of millions fall for stupid stories based on nonsense. (Recall Q-anal, I mean Q-anus, no wait, it was Q-anon).
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  BREAKING NEWS | Highlights of 2023 Worldwide Service Year Report

  by Drearyweather in

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  breaking news | highlights of 2023 worldwide service year report.

  on november 15, 2023, the service committee of the governing body shared highlights of the 2023 worldwide service year report with the bethel family.

  the following exciting increases were announced: baptisms: during the 2023 service year, 269,517 persons were baptized.

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  iloowy.goowy

  The surge in numbers after high Covid-19 days isn't so surprising. Some may have held on in baptizing their kids until the pandemic fizzled. Also pioneers had their time requirements suspended for a while, and it was easy to pioneer counting time writing letters.

  What will be surprising is the decreased they didn't.annouce yet, and the down trend due to follow in the coming years, I believe.
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  2023-October-Spanish-Elder Manual!

  by Atlantis in

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  2023-october-spanish-elder manual.

  elder manuals in different languages are coming in slowly because elders are a little afraid to go into the watchtower inbox, and grab 10 or 12 elder manuals in different languages all at the same time.

  so the elders are taking elder manuals out of the inbox a little at a time so they do not bring too much attention to themselves.. spanish elder manual--2023-octoberhttps://www.filemail.com/d/lpfrjurfljtxkmi grandpa!

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  iloowy.goowy

  Muchas gracias, Atlantis.
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  the name Jehovah: magical?

  by enoughisenough in

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  2. beliefs

  didn't know the best subject area to put this question under....i was listening to a discussion on youtube the other day while working, so not getting every point ....part of what was talked about was the word jehovah, ( not being the most accurate translation of yhwh ) was however pushed by illuminati /secret societies for its use in magic.

  (as i informed, i wasn't getting the whole conversion as i also had attention elsewhere and some of the conversation was hard to follow.

  ) so i am wondering if anyone on here has more information on the subject they care to share.

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  iloowy.goowy

  Jehovah is English tradition for the Deity in the Old Testament. Likewise, Jesus is the English traditional name for the Messiah in the New Testament. Neither of their pronunciations is exactly as it would have been pronounced in Hebrew. To insist on Yahweh and Yeshua is sort of scholarly pedantic, or ignorantly presumptuous. If you want to speak Hebrew, fine go ahead. But why only pronounce names in Hebrew, did the early Gentile Christians pronounce names Greek fashion?
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  Need Vocal Renditions of Sing Praises to Jehovah

  by cybernyben101 in

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  i am looking for vocal renditions of some the kingdom songs in this old songbook: sing praises to jehovah.

  most of my favorite kingdom songs are from that songbook and i would love to download them on my phone.

  i enjoy listening to vocal renditions of kingdom melodies.

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  iloowy.goowy

  The Watchtower released a cassette with some of the songs as sung, with the lyrics, by a brother with a nice deep and powerful voice back in the days of the songbook you mention above with that illustration.
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  So, did the egg come first?

  by iloowy.goowy in

  1. watchtower
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  does a look at dna show intent in existence and is infinity a mere observation of reality?

  this article is a quite a bit of a mindstom.

  what are your thoughts?.

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  iloowy.goowy

  Does a look at DNA show intent in existence and is infinity a mere observation of reality? This article is a quite a bit of a mindstom. What are your thoughts?

  https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/02/24/the-peculiar-schema-of-dna-codons-second-letter/
  
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  Jesus and Thomas twin theory?

  by Anony Mous in

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  in light of the recent attack on indian jws i did some research about christianity in india and found out that india has a long history of christian influence, and not, like many of us probably believed, brought by the british, rather india has had christians for 2000 years.. matter of fact, they may be similar length and claim to the ‘original’ christians only equal by the roman (european), syrian (middle eastern) and ethiopian (african) christians.

  the story goes that judas thomas (aka doubting thomas or dydimus) (literally translated: dydimus = twin (greek) and tomas = twin (aramaic)), the twin brother of jesus travelled to india and did some miracles along the way, started the church there, hence deification of thomas is common there.. i found some articles written by eg.

  bart ehrman supporting this theory, personally not that much of a fan, but i know many interested in jw exegesis as he supports various fringe theories including wtbts claim to the name jehovah.. the claims of jesus’ twin brother seem to be supported by the original writings, including the gospel as we know it in the west (almost every canonical gospel writer alludes to the twin), but also various other non-canonical writings and at least 3 complete gospels claimed to be by thomas himself (although the oldest writings stem from the first, second and third century respectively).

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  iloowy.goowy

  Just because Thomas was somebody's twin doesn't mean he had to be a twin to Jesus. There is a heavy dose of make believe in the assumption, whether ancient or modern it is just an assumption. So, no, I believe Thomas was not Jesus' twin, from what I have learned, although from his name he may have been somebody else's twin.