The Elders are imperfect the C.O. is imperfect everybody is imperfect, but what about the "two witnesses" being imperfect, colluding against someone they don't like, getting their facts wrong. Oops just stoned to death/disfellowshipped the wrong person.
Posts by Annon
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31Circuit Overseer's Idiotic Comment
by FedUpJW inat last night's clam the circuit overseer made this comment, "we elders sometimes have to act as judges in the congregation.
but we (the elders) are imperfect, and so cannot know everything about judicial matters.
that is why we (the elders) have the biblical rule that there must be at least two witnesses to wrongdoing.
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I feel like I'm losing my religion/faith
by christina1111 ini'm a baptized jw...been baptized for 8 years...and throughout the years i've been baptized i see "hypocrisy" so to speak in the religion...when you're new and not baptized that's when the jws want to invite you to every gathering they have, they want to appear like they're your best friend...they want to help you out when needed and so forth...however, once you're baptized you go to the elders for help they don't help you....all they do is gather you around the office...have bibles in hand and so forth...they give you articles as well, instead of physically helping you out....but yet when you weren't baptized they would physically help you out and not throw scriptures and articles in your face.
also when you ask for help and so forth with the bros/sisters they want to throw the "each one must carry his/her own load" scripture at you.....but yet what happened to the scripture of taking care of widows and people who are orphans?.
it's not just one congregation...throughout the 8 years i've been baptized i've been through many kingdom halls...many towns...many states...when i was inactive for awhile i even pretended to not be baptized and just play dumb when the witnesses came to my door...they're much nicer to you when you're not baptized then when you are baptized...why is that?.
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Annon
Christina I agree with you totally, have experienced the same thing. The "love" is like the thinnest veneer you can imagine, a little scrape an it's gone. A bit after Miss, Mr or Mrs Smith is baptized and becomes Sister/Bro Smith you can almost hear the big switch marked "Pretend to care" being clicked to the off position. Job done.
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Is the Mid Week Meeting shorter or longer than before they stopped doing the book study at homes?
by Iamallcool inany takers?.
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Annon
To me even if it isn't it seems much much longer. Feels like time to go home, then you have the "book study" tacked on at the end, most people seem to have given up by then judging by the sea of the same three hands up to answer.
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Skinned and Thrown About.....
by Tech49 inthis is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".
with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".
recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.
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Annon
They are all part of the "Bethel Family"
I often see families booting their children out of the house when they are no longer required.
Oh wait no I don't. Not sure what dictionary they are using.
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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Annon
Many people have given reasoned well explained answers to the original question. There has been lots of useful information presented by the forum contributors it's just a pity more people could not read these.
Oh wait if you type into Google "sue Watchtower over child abuse" this whole thread along with Richards original question appears 5th on the list.
Well Done Richard.
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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday
by cofty inyesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
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Annon
Seemingly God has an I.Q. of 1,000,000,000,000 and see the problems that has caused.
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Why would Jehovah give Satan rulership of the World.?
by smiddy inromans 13 : 1-7 "let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities" etc,"the existing authourities stand placed in their relative positions by god" 2".therefore he who opposers the authourity has taken a stand against the arrangement of god ,those who have taken a stand against it will recieve judgement to themselves "etc,etc,.."..to him who calls for honour such honour.".
isnt this plainly stating that christians should be supporting and playing along with the governments of this sytem of things ?
that it is in fact an arrangement of god ?
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Annon
Some people believe Satan was cast down to the Earth from heaven, causing terrible suffering for all here.
Why? Could he not be have been sent somewhere else? Jupiter, Mars or some other planet they did not know about in bible times. Or even a different Galaxy, it would have saved a lot of trouble.
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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Annon
Richard
I am lost, surely you mean you can't be a part of these X-JW communities, not you can't be apart.
That has quite the opposite meaning.
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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Annon
Richard from you last comment I think you agree with most people here. That in lands which have child protection laws and something would be done to protect the child then in every case you should report it. That surely is the legal and moral thing to do.
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I COLLECT QUOTES. . . Here are some of my favorites
by Terry inplease post your favorites too.
my favorite quotations:.
you cannot change what you refuse to confront.. sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.. don’t think of cost.
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Annon
“To be is to do - Socrates
To do is to be - Sartre
Do Be Do Be Do - Sinatra”
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“Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand.”
- Kurt Vonnegut (I think)