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  LDS version of Simon?

  by cappytan in

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  mormon leaders have moved to excommunicate the prominent founder of an online forum for questioning mormons, charging him with apostasy for publicly supporting same-sex marriage and the ordination of women, and for challenging church teaching.. .

  http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/john-dehlin-mormon-critic-facing-excommunication.html?_r=0&referrer=

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  Mormon leaders have moved to excommunicate the prominent founder of an online forum for questioning Mormons, charging him with apostasy for publicly supporting same-sex marriage and the ordination of women, and for challenging church teaching.

  
  

  http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/16/us/john-dehlin-mormon-critic-facing-excommunication.html?_r=0&referrer=
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  one last step..Is being mentally out the same as being emotionally out?

  by MissFit in

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  we talk here about the importance of being mentally and physically out to be really free.. what about being emotionally free?.

  i realized for me, i had to be emotionally awake first.

  i had been yo-young back and forth for years.

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  MissFit:

  I now consider myself mentally out.

  I'm coming to grips, though, with getting emotionally out. I think that's why I'm having that mental battle between Reason/Logic and Tradition/Family.

  I don't know if I'll ever be 100% emotionally out even if I'm 100% mentally and physically out. 

  As long as there are familial ties to the organization, I don't know if I can have emotional closure.
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  Need to vent: Wife just went in full cult mode, huge fight. she is so brainwashed

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  out of the blue my wife started to ask me about my feeling about the borg.

  i told her i didn't want to talk about it...she persisted.

  she already knows how i feel, i told her that my biggest beef is that they use mind control, and yep she went in to how i was an apostate and how she doesn't want to be married to an apostate.

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  gttm: I'm really sorry bro.

  Man. I don't know what else to say. Anything else would be trite.

  That is so sad that she can't let you have your own beliefs.

  This organization likes to brag about their victories in championing freedom of religion when their policies oppress freedom of worship more than anyone else.
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  Imagine a Company Sells You a Product...

  by TTATTelder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  imagine a company sells you a product... you like the product and begin to do more business with them.. then one day this company demands that you never visit any of their competitors for the rest of your life.

  they also add that you are never allowed to read a negative customer review about their company or products for the rest of your life.. actually this company threatens you with a humiliating future death if you engage in either of these activities..... how does that sound to you?

  sound reasonable?

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  Whew, for a second I thought you were talking about my Apple products.
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  "Dead man walking", my resurrection

  by MissFit in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as a jw, did you ever just resign yourself to being destroyed at armageddon because you knew you werent worthy?.

  for almost half my life i felt like i was under a death sentence- "a dead man walking.

  " i was my judge, jury and executioner.

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  MissFit:

  What really helped was that years before that, after I left Bethel, I was really messed up mentally. 

  I got Cognitive Therapy and it helped for a while.

  After the incident with the gun I mentioned above, it was a wake up call. I realized I had been neglecting the methods I had learned in Therapy, and started using them again. I recognized what pulled me back from the brink, the thoughts of my children, and just focused on those thoughts every time I felt the darkness creep back into mind. I also had a friend to talk to in confidence who had been through similar issues. 

  I ended up selling all my pistols so it wouldn't be that easy. (Also, so I could get a new Kayak without spending savings.)  

  I'm not anti-gun though. Still have rifles and shotguns for hunting. But they're kept in a safe, out of the house, on family property where we hunt, hundreds of miles away.
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  "Dead man walking", my resurrection

  by MissFit in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as a jw, did you ever just resign yourself to being destroyed at armageddon because you knew you werent worthy?.

  for almost half my life i felt like i was under a death sentence- "a dead man walking.

  " i was my judge, jury and executioner.

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  When I was inactive but still believed in the organization, I occasionally struggled with feelings of worthlessness, but never thought I wouldn't make it to Paradise.

  I always held a slightly different opinion of Grace. I felt that Jehovah could read my heart, that he knew I was a good person that was imperfect and sincerely tried to keep his righteous standards. 

  I even convinced myself at one point that if I committed suicide, I could just jump to paradise because "the reader of hearts" knew what I was going through and that the wages sin pays are death, so I would have already paid for my sins. I was moments away from pulling the trigger on my Glock during that dark time. I had the barrel in my mouth. But, all I could think about were my kids. I couldn't leave them alone without my help.

  This was all years before I started waking up to TTATT.

  Now, my main struggle is that I am seeing the real truth, but the side of my brain that is still hardwired for JW thoughts tries to weigh me down by making me feel guilty and like I am falling victim to Satan.

  I'm not saying I don't believe in Paradise anymore. But I certainly don't believe that a God of Love would deny someone entry into a paradise for seeking truth in life.
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  New WTS end date - 2034?

  by campaign of hate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i already made an introductory thread where i said hello and mentioned my feelings toward 2034 being the wts new end date.. we get the year 2034 from matt 24:37 & luke 17:26. the wt commented on the "days of noah" in a qfr article 2010 12/15.

  where its stated: "it is logical, therefore, to conclude that genesis 6:3 expresses gods resolve to end the corrupt system of things on earth.

  jehovah issued a judicial decree to do so in 120 years, though noah was not yet aware of that.

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  I wouldn't doubt the GB would go this route. After all, the potential mental gymnastics to come up with 2034 shouldn't be hard for most followers victims to follow...they've been practicing the moves for years with the 607 BS.

  In the meantime, 2034 has great significance to me. (See video below.)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViKkjSzdwL4
  
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  Recorded argument with elders trying to DF someone

  by Jay Elle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this video may have been posted here before but it is new to me.

  the lingo seems very very famillar with the bullying that the elders give us all.

  they want their pound of flesh...but call it loving and theocratic.

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  Perhaps there is some kind of British law that an individual can have web content removed if they claim it is defamatory.
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  Waking someone up using WT Article on "Doubts"?

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has anyone had success in using this article to convince their family member or spouse that critical research of what the society presents is important to build faith?.

  this article has this passage that jumped out at me:.

  of course, not all doubt is bad.

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  @silent: You're still in at the moment? (I am, personally. Just woke up this past year.)
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  Waking someone up using WT Article on "Doubts"?

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has anyone had success in using this article to convince their family member or spouse that critical research of what the society presents is important to build faith?.

  this article has this passage that jumped out at me:.

  of course, not all doubt is bad.

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  Has anyone had success in using this article to convince their family member or spouse that critical research of what the Society presents is important to build faith?

  This article has this passage that jumped out at me:

  Of course, not all doubt is bad. At times, you need to suspend acceptance of something till you are sure of the facts. Religious exhortations to the effect that you should just believe and should doubt nothing are dangerous and deceptive. True, the Bible says that love “believes all things.” (1 Corinthians 13:7) A loving Christian is certainly ready to believe those who have proved trustworthy in the past. But God’s Word also warns against ‘putting faith in every word.’ (Proverbs 14:15) Sometimes a person’s [or organization's] past record gives legitimate reason for doubt. “Although [the deceptive talker] makes his voice gracious,” the Bible warns, “do not believe in him.”—Proverbs 26:24, 25.
  The apostle John also warns Christians against blind belief. “Do not believe every inspired expression,” he writes. Rather, “test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” (1 John 4:1) An “expression,” a teaching or opinion, might appear to emanate from God. But did it really come from him? Exercising some doubt, or suspending belief, can be a real protection because, as the apostle John says, “many deceivers have gone forth into the world.”—2 John 7.
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  Of course, we did not just blindly believe all that we heard. We did what people living in the city of Beroea did. We ‘carefully examined the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.’ (Acts 17:11) We ‘proved to ourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God’ and made sure that what we had heard was true. (Romans 12:2; 1 Thessalonians 5:21)

  Taken from: w01 7/1 pp. 18-21 (Bolded for emphasis and also to highlight my commentary.)

  This seems to me to be direct authorization to question and test the doctrines of the Society.