Posts by iclone

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Final prayer after fieldservice today.

by El_Guapo in

hi guys,.

i was asked to give final prayer today after the field service meeting.

i asked for jah to bless and comfort the families of the newtown, ct massacre.

The Early Morning Field Service Scam.

by I quit! in

jw
friends

early yesterday morning i was driving through town on a street that rearly has any foot traffic and never at 7:30 am on a sunday morning and there they were.

a group of jbubs milling about counting time.

i drove a little further and there was a second group walking slowly down the street in the morning drizzle.

Yeah now all these do gooders are posting their car groups on Instagram-BARF! Don't they realize that they are just what Jesus described that it is all about outward appearances? Now they post these redonkulous photos and it becomes a contest of how many "likes" they can get. Even worse...the nauseating comments made by other jdubs. The last straw was when someone posted a picture of their daughter making a call. Just the memories of being forced into this drudgery for so long actually made me sick to my stomach. This is when I cancelled my account and rejoined under an alias. Memories of the ministry are the most haunting for me.

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Have You Ever Seen Or Met Anyone Famous?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i'm not talking about any gb members, either!.

iclone

Whoopi Goldberg and Cuba Gooding Jr (on set)

Nicole Richie (Phoenix Airport)

Benjamin Bratt (Engine Co. 28 LA)

Wayne and Janet Gretzky, Martin Short (LAX)

Jennifer Aniston (Cuistot Restaurant, Palm Desert CA)

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Re: It is official they want more money :PROOF :LETTER

by raymond frantz in

hi guys over a week ago i started a post about the doantions the society is now asking witnesses as never before .this is the letter that was put on the notice board .i know conditional donation agreement is not a new thing .but this letter was send out of the blue ,no one asked for it and as long as i remember this arrangement it was something you have to ask bethel .notice also how a specific group of people istrargeted ,namely the elderly one with properties ,please let me have your feedback.

the letter is here :.

http://new-jw.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/proof-letter.png .

iclone

So they are soliciting for funds "across the pond" so as not to raise suspicion here in the USA with all the notoriety that is and will take place with the Conti Case! These guys in New York are pretty clever aren’t they?

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JW Argument: Jehovah is delaying Armageddon as he wants as many people as possible to be saved!!!

by iclone in

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iclone

Is Jehovah Delaying Armageddon Because He Cares For People?

	Daily Figures		Monthly Figures	Annual Figures	Five Year Forecast

New Births Everyday	384,000	*
Daily Deaths	156,000
New People Born Everyday	228,000		6,840,000	83,220,000	416,100,000



Number of Baptism's Within The Jehovah's Witness Religion	736		22,080	268,640	1,343,200

ADDITIONAL number of Innocent People That Would Die At Armageddon	227,264		6,817,920	82,951,360	414,756,800


Summation	Do these figures reflect a loving God that would be willing to sacrifice this many souls to gain so few in return?
	It is inconsistent with his way. For example he sacrificed one life; his son so that millions could be saved.
	Now he is prepared to kill almost 83 million people (including men, women, children and babies)
	in one year just to save a meager 268 thousand? Really!?
	This would make God a MONSTER, not a loving God. Open your eyes and seek the truth!!

* Source; United States Census Bureau

" Only Jehovah's Witnesses , those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil." Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 p.19			"There are billions of people who do not know Jehovah. Many of them in ignorance practice things that God's Word shows to be wicked. If they persist in this course, they will be among those who perish during the great tribulation ." Watchtower 1993 Oct 1 p.19

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JW Argument: Jehovah is delaying Armageddon as he wants as many people as possible to be saved!!!

by iclone in

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iclone

notjustyet

Very good observation! I will amend my Excel SS Very true the number of innocents killed keeps piling on!

What a horrible event that JW's profess to "look forward to with keen anticipation". Perhaps they should go visit the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC to see what genocide looks like.

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JW Argument: Jehovah is delaying Armageddon as he wants as many people as possible to be saved!!!

by iclone in

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iclone

This is an argument that you will hear all the time from JW's. Yesterday's Watchtower again emphasized this point. Not to "run ahead of Blondie", I made a chart on just how ridiculous this notion is. According to WT doctrine and jw.org only Jehovah's Witnesses and those that will be resurrected will have an opportunity to live in the new order. The fallacy of this argument is how many people including children and babies will have to be sacrificed for each day that passes? And is the sacrifice worth the reward? Well the numbers do not lie as the following chart demonstrates. Keep in mind that I was very generous with the figures of new witnesses as the numbers in their annual report do not reflect their net growth after the number of people DF'd every year. In addition I have not accounted for what I believe to be a high percentage of organic growth within the organization. We all know that the number of new baptisms is a result of family and children getting baptized. I am not sure what that figure is but I would bet it is in the 70% range. Even without factoring these parameters the numbers are staggering. In one year according to the United States Census Bureau that to save an additional 236,155 people that get baptized annually; Jehovah would have to kill close to 83 million souls. The logic is so warped but the average JW just does not get it.

Is Jehovah Delaying Armageddon Because He Cares For People?

	Daily Figures		Monthly Figures	Annual Figures	Five Year Forcast

New Births Everyday	384,000	*
Daily Deaths	156,000
New People Born Everyday	228,000		6,840,000	83,220,000	416,100,000



Number of Baptism's Within The Jehovah's Witness Religion	647		19,410	236,155	1,180,775

Number of Innocent People That Would Die At Armageddon	227,353		6,820,590	82,983,845	414,919,225

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The UN's motto means the END OF DAYS!! Gloom and DOOM

by Honeybucket in

a email has been going around the witness community explaining how prophecies are falling into place concerning the wild beast.

aparantly the un's motto this year is "peace and security" 1 thes 5:3 "whenever it is that they are saying peace and security then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pangs of distress upon a pregnant woman aand they by no means will escape".. according to this scripture the "end" should already be here since peace and security has already been declared by the un; i do wonder if this was done on purpose as a slap in the face to wtbs, due to them gb declaring the un a wicked and destable thing.. i would love to hear your thoughts on this matter.. honeybucket.

iclone

I remember very clearly the 1986 UN Campaign as the "International Year of Peace", we all thought;' this is it! I recall in late late 1986 our CO discussed this and made the comment; "we do not know how long Jehovah will continue to allow them to make this proclamation". I can hear the rhetoric now from the GB. How the UN failed to deliver the promise and now here they are again with the same message! Now when it comes to recycled messages nobody does it better than than the WT, recall the special talk this year was "Is It Later Than You Think?" Well no later than it was 44 years in 1968 when this was the headliner on the Awake cover. Lying hypocrites...

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A VERY BAD YEAR FOR WATCHTOWER PUBLIC RELATIONS

by iclone in

jw
friends

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iclone

It looks to be shaping up to be one of the worst years for the WT. I am sure their PR department is scrambling for some good news.

It all started with the Candace Conti verdict, and then went out of control from there.

Next was the infamous Oct 01 st 2012 letter to all elders on their revised child abuse policy which, in effect did not change anything in most people’s minds. They are still holding on to their “two witness rule” and now even though they are at arm’s length from the situation and do not know the “soft details”. They now assume complete control and decide who is a predator.

Then there was the FDS revision; which really came as no surprise to many but it is none the less negative light on the Watchtower as they have now aligned themselves with most mainstream Christian religions (that they for decades cast in negative light) by structuring the hierarchy of the Watchtower to more of a Papal rule.

Now the tragic of death of Whitney Hiechel at the hands of a fellow Brother no less. One can only imagine how the purported squeaky clean reputation of JW’s will be sullied once again. I remember one Brother told me years ago that “the media is not their ally or friend”. Well no sh_t Sherlock, when you keep feeding the tabloids with such juicy stories how can they help themselves.

It keeps me wondering; what’s next and with a wishful heart that the next breaking story will cause irreparable damage to this destructive sect!

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Some information

by cedars in

here is some information.. the following prospectus seems to give evidence that the watch tower society is attending an investment conference less than a month after their november 8th court date over the bond motion (see page 4, bottom right).. http://www.imn.org/2012/etm1324/pdfs/etm1324_prospectus.pdf.

read into that what you will.. i would rather not pass comment in case i am accused of sensationalism.. .

cedars.

iclone

On page 11 of the PDF. It highlights some Branding Opportunities and I see the Casino Night has already been sold. Maybe the Watchtower got this event booked well in advance!! haha