Good point SGOE, they could hold two conventions in a weekend. Friday/Saturday and then Sunday/Monday. At this point I still think its speculative as there are no official confirmations yet. I will do some digging out in my part of the world. I know many faithful adherents that will be really dissapointed if this is true. These people will often travel to take in the DC more than once. (gross) These same people have still not come to terms that we lost the weekly book study!
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No more 3-day DCs starting in 2013?
by respectful_observer inapologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.
some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.
anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.
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Cedars' "Makeweight" Scenario
by What Now? incedars' "makeweight" scenario posed as a question:.
can you show me one scripture that supports the idea that the holy spirit would deliberately feed god's servants untrue information or a flawed understanding of scripture as a "makeweight" until actual truth would be revealed at a later date?
is there a biblical principle that justifies jehovah dealing with his servants in such a way?.
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Cedars; coincidentally I brought this up with my Mother about a week ago. I used the principle of “Let your yes mean yes and your no, no.” She said that Jehovah changed his mind to bring about destruction on the ancient world in Noah’s time and referenced the scripture of “how he felt regret and would wipe out man from the face of the earth”. She also pointed out the example of Nineveh where Jehovah also changed his mind to bring about destruction on the city.
I said for one thing that has nothing to do with Jehovah changing his mind, it is a matter of erroneous interpretation and, did Jehovah guide the FDS to come to an incorrect conclusion, furthermore did he allow them to hold the correct view, change their mind to hold the incorrect view and them back to the correct view? If so, what purpose did this have? If you could interview the families that lost loved ones due to the WTS misapplied scriptural viewpoint on organ transplants and the hundreds if not thousands that have lost their lives due to the organic viewpoint on blood and fractions; What would they say? Don’t throw the resurrection in my face either. Imagine the pain and suffering they have been through emotional, mental and financial stress this may have caused.
Then I left with a remark that left her dumbfounded. I said, however based on your argument that Jehovah can and have demonstrated that he can change his mind, perhaps he has changed his mind about backing the WT, maybe it is due to their reckless policy when it comes to protecting our children from pedophiles. (something even she agrees needs to be addressed) Or maybe he has changed his mind about Armageddon altogether; maybe that is why it hasn’t occurred yet-because Jehovah has now changed his mind! It left her speechless but I could tell the wheels were spinning and was clearly agitated by the notion. She has stated several times how she never though her own children would finish school, let alone get married and have children, she is now a great grandmother and still-no Armagheddon!
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Here is their policy on child abuse from JW-media.org
by not bitter inhttp://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm.
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Are they nucking futs! I found their entire policy that they were stupid enough to put in print grossly inadequate to actually protect child abuse victims. Thank you for putting this in print for the world to see what monsters you are!
ywerestupid enough to put in print grossly negligent and is nowhere close to actuallly protecting children. As disgusting as this was I can't thank them enoug for the world to see
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Did anyone else get somewhat offended by the term "rank and file" that the WT attorney used.
by life is to short ini was just surprised by that term being used by jim mccabe when he said "jonathan kendrick was not a leader or a pastor, he was just a rank-and-file member.".
i thought that was only an apostate term and also what a put down to us lowly members.
we are just a rank-and-file person.
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He stole that expression from the many, many posts on JWN. I wonder what McCabe's call sign and avatar is??
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New Experience Of The Carjacker & The Jehovah's Witness
by minimus inmy mom told me this as it was related to her.. a witness is suddenly carjacked!
the man tells the sister he is there to steal her car!
she begs him not to take the car as it is the one she uses to take her elderly mom to the doctors.
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OMG...Barfalicious!
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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!
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iclone
AK MCGRATH, do you have a link to that video?
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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!
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iclone
JakeM2012 you have a PM
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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!
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OODAD, yes she did finally respond. She said ‘if the WT is guilty of covering this up, then they are getting what they deserve.' She did go on to challenge me on the fact that Jehovah only blesses the WT, blah, blah, blah. I am going to have lunch with her on Friday and I plan on discussing it further. She is what I would consider a solid JW but would never shun her family, she is not a fanatic by any means. The good thing is she will actually listen to me.
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This morning I emailed my Mother and completed Bared My Soul!
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My mother sent me one of those redonkulous JW chain emails. This one really pissed me off in light of the recent developments with the child abuse case. It was entitled “Jehovah knows (and cares about) what’s going on.” You know the usual dribble about how Jehovah miraculously used a storm to uproot a tree, caused wind to blow sand off a Catholic Priest’s yard so the bro’s could make bricks. A Kingdom Hall site where a bulldozer showed up to backfill a lot because he thought his boss said Hall, not Mal. In any event all these stories are contrived and are complete BS. I could not help myself so here is my reply email to my Mother.
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Hi Mom it is nice to hear from you and I hope you are well. ____and the kids say hello. I have to tell you that this email offended me in a way that you cannot even imagine. The very title of this email me infuriated me to think that most narrow minded Witnesses believe God’s priorities is to disseminate literature and offer divine intervention to complete construction projects. I for one do not believe it for a second. You are telling me that God finds that causing a wind storm to uproot a tree or move sand from someone’s personal property takes higher priority than helping the disadvantaged ones in the world? Where was Jehovah when Denmark’s Anders Behring from your home Country ruthlessly killed 77 people, most of whom where children and teenagers. By your own admission in your email it states that Jehovah has authority over the weather and natural forces to manipulate events. If that’s the case; where was Jehovah when and does he care as he allows natural disasters and freak storms to kill hundreds of thousands of people, orphan children, leave countless others homeless and destitute?
However the most obvious question would be; where was Jehovah and does he care about our little ones within the so called True Christian Congregation that are being molested and raped by known pedophiles? Truly you cannot sit there and tell me that this was not of paramount concern to Jehovah God as these innocent ones that have been and are currently still at risk? Just this week a very brave girl went to court to do her utmost to change the Pedophile Secrecy Policy as set forth by Jehovah’s appointed men. (I will get to that later) The result is the jury was so appalled by the flagrant disregard for the safety of this child when she was aged 9-10 years of age as she was brutally raped and exposed to such disgusting and vile acts that they awarded her 7 million dollars in damages. To add to this the Watchtower Society was ordered to pay her an additional 21 million dollars in punitive damages due to their negligence of protecting this innocent child and the fact that they allowed this MONSTER to remain in the Congregation as a silent predator. Mom that is 28 million dollars that came from voluntary donations and whatever other assets are regularly bequeathed to the Watchtower. Some people, to the chagrin of their heirs, bequeath their entire estate to the Watchtower and for what? To go towards a legal fund for future payouts and believe me; there will be future lawsuits. Many of these silenced victims will now come forward, not for financial gain, but rather to punish the Watchtower for such a cruel and flawed Abuse Policy. How can you say that Jehovah is blessing an organization that claims to represent him whilst at the same time these men put forth policies that if a child comes forward with an accusation of abuse that the “two witness rule” must be applied and unless this was at the mouth of two witnesses then you simply leave it in Jehovah’s hands. (who is apparently too busy causing windstorms and sequestering sand for new Kingdom Halls where more innocent children can be victimized) To add insult to injury if that was your child that was molested, the elders will tell you to keep silent on the matter and if you go around and slander the accused that you risk being Disfellowshipped! It is such a twisted way of thinking that words cannot describe it.
I promised to expand on the point about Jehovah’s Appointed Men. It is my belief that Jehovah has completely removed his Holy Spirit from this organization. Just because you say you are God’s chosen ones does not mean you are not accountable. Consider the Nation of Israel from the Old Testament. Look at what God did to help the Israelites. Miracle upon miracle, he delivered them from bondage, hunger and danger. Yet was his Holy Spirit unconditional regardless of their actions or way of thinking? No, on numerous occasions Jehovah removed his Spirit and allowed the Nation to suffer greatly. It is my opinion that the same holds true today. There is no way that Jehovah can be endorsing this organization based on their historic and current actions. I know these words will come across hurtful to you, but it is not my intent to cause you unrest. Rather I just want you to be objective and as we are encouraged to do as brought out at 1 John 4:1 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.
By the way the lawsuit I speak of is true! You know your son well enough that I would never make these claims unless it was substantiated. I am enclosing two links one for the New Your Times and MSNBC New Agency. If you want further proof I will send you a link where you can view the actual court documents.
Love you Mom,
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Very Curious, what kind of feedback are you getting from ACTIVE Jehovah's Witnesses on Candace's California Court Victory ?
by Balaamsass ini am stunned by candace's huge court victory.
it is overdue.
i have been reading comments on jvn, huffington, san jose mercury, nbc, and other sources.
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I was having a discussion with a brother over the weekend regarding this case and he, like some of the other fanatics feels this is just one of Satan's attacks. I asked him if the Watchower's abuse policy is currently sufficient enough to protect our children? (he is also an ex-elder but still a die hard JW) He said "absolutely". I said thank you for admitting there is a severe problem. He was confused by my response. I clarified with him; 'by your own admission that a "child abuse policy" even exists means there is a widespread problem.' If child abuse was a non-issue within the Jehovah's Witness organization then why would they need an official policy?? He had nothing to say. I concluded that if by some miracle Jehovah is still looking over this organization; then perhaps this Court Judgement is His way of correcting the WT on their VERY flawed 'child abuse policy'!