That's right. Norwegian elite forces from the Royal Navy, Army and Paratroopers are fighting in Afghanistan under US command.
The US wanted forces familiar with extreme winter conditions which we were able to supply.
Norm
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by TR inhttp://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020305/ts_nm/attack_afghan_dc_65&cid=578 .
hundreds of afghan troops and forces from other countries, including australia, denmark, france, germany and norway, were involved in the attack on the regrouped al qaeda and taliban forces, many believed to be dug in with their families.. .
who'd a thunk it?.
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Move the Al Quaida prisoners!
by Norm inmany are concerned with the conditions of the prisoner held in cuba.
it appears that their conditions are far better then what happens to refugees in australia.. it is quite shocking to read what goes on in australia regarding their treatment of refugees.isnt it wonderful how these lovely and caring australian nation are so happy to keep women and children in concentration camps out in the desert for years?
how great it is to know that we have australia among the international federation of civilized nations, where human rights and particularly childrens right are of major concern, particularly if these children are non australian.. norm
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Many are concerned with the conditions of the prisoner held in Cuba
It appears that their conditions are far better then what happens to refugees in Australia.It is quite shocking to read what goes on in Australia regarding their treatment of refugee’s.Isn’t it wonderful how these lovely and caring Australian nation are so happy to keep women and children in concentration camps out in the desert for years?
How great it is to know that we have Australia among the international federation of civilized nations, where human rights and particularly children’s right are of major concern, particularly if these children are non Australian.
Norm
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The Bible - a hopeless book
by Norm inwe all know that people are helpless and unable to understand the bible on their own.
only by getting your hands on some watchtower literature will you be able to understand the bible.
for all intent and purpose this of course makes the bible redundant.
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RWC,
You said:
it talks of love like no other book, it expresses universal thruths that even those who believe in the Bible take as truth, it talks about love and respect for women like no other religious text, it tells of great men of courage and convictions, it tells of men who died for their beliefs, it talks of people with great character and also talks of people's failings. In short is the greatest book ever written.
Indeed, how can anyone argue with such powerful words. Just take a look at these wonderful Bible texts and let the love, the respect for women and children flow all over you. Contemplate the great character of Moses, how he was inflamed over the insubordinance of those stubborn people who didn't respect the word of God and slaughtered all the men women and children as he had ordered:*** Rbi8 Numbers 31:14-18 ***
Who can argue with the Bible? And what immense love God showed for those women who happened to have "layed with a male" especially considering what free choice those 12 year old children had when it comes to "laying"! Wow, what a lovely divine book!
And Moses grew indignant at the appointed men of the combat forces, the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from the military expedition. 15 So Moses said to them: “Have YOU preserved alive every female? 16 Look! They are the ones who, by Ba'laam’s word, served to induce the sons of Israel to commit unfaithfulness toward Jehovah over the affair of Pe'or, so that the scourge came upon the assembly of Jehovah. 17 And now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male. 18 And preserve alive for yourselves all the little ones among the women who have not known the act of lying with a male.*** Rbi8 Numbers 31:35-41 ***
35 As for human souls from the women who had not known the act of lying with a male, all the souls were thirty-two thousand... 41 Then Moses gave the tax as Jehovah’s contribution to El•e•a'zar the priest, just as Jehovah had commanded Moses.Norm
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The Bible - a hopeless book
by Norm inwe all know that people are helpless and unable to understand the bible on their own.
only by getting your hands on some watchtower literature will you be able to understand the bible.
for all intent and purpose this of course makes the bible redundant.
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We all know that people are helpless and unable to understand the Bible on their own. Only by getting your hands on some Watchtower literature will you be able to “understand” the Bible. For all intent and purpose this of course makes the Bible redundant. Today it isn’t politically correct for any Jehovah's Witness to actually say such a thing but if the Bible is worthless without the aid of the Brooklyn produced tripe this is of course the case. In the earlier days of the Watchtower Society history, they didn’t hesitate to spell out their real attitude towards this to their readers.
Of course the same attitudes are alive and well among the Witness population today as well, but as with so many other things, you just don’t say it. As we can read below, C. T. Russell must have been a very humble man. Anyway feast your eyes on these very candid words.“If the six volumes of SCRIPTURE STUDIES are practically the Bible topically arranged, with Bible proof texts given we might not improperly name the volumes - the Bible in an arranged form. That is to say, they are not merely comments on the Bible, but they are practically the Bible itself, since there is no desire to build any doctrine or thought on any individual preference or on any individual wisdom, but to present the entire matter on the lines of the Word of God. We therefore think it safe to follow this kind of reading, this kind of instruction this kind of Bible study .. .
We would conclude, practically, that we could not understand anything about the Bible except as it was revealed. We would, therefore, not waste a great deal of time doing what we know some people do, reading chapter after chapter, to no profit. We would not think of doing it. We would not think we were studying the Scriptures at all. We would think we were following the course that had been anything but profitable to ourselves and many others in the past - merely reading over the Scriptures. We would say that the same Heavenly Father who had guided us to this Truth, to this understanding of the Scriptures as his children, if he had some further information for us he would bring it to our attention in some manner; and therefore we would not, see the necessity of reading the New Testament every day or every year; we would not consider that necessary. We were not put here primarily to read the Bible, but primarily to, serve the Lord and his Truth . . . God favors us in this time with an understanding of Present Truth, he has given us a knowledge of more truth than we could have gained in a thousand years if we had read and studied unaided. . . we might remark that quite a number of the friends in the Truth are making it a rule to read twelve pages of the SCRIPTURE STUDIES a day . . . whoever reads two pages of SCRIPTURE STUDIES each day with the suggested passage connected with those two pages, would do more Scripture studying in that, time than he could do by any other method.” WATCHTOWER, September 15, 1910, pp. 298 299.J.F. Rutherford, was of course no less confident that his own insane ranting was far superior to the Bible. Merely 15 minutes with one of his booklets was worth a whole year of Bible reading. Imagine that! All the faithful Bible thumpers could put a whole year of Bible study under their west in half an hour!! Wonder why the Society doesn’t reprint and distribute Rutherford’s booklets. Would save valuable time for all Witnesses, time they could spend peddling Watchtower literature to the public:
“Each treatise can be read in just fifteen minutes, and more genuine satisfaction and profitable pleasure derived there from in that length of time than can be gotten from studying the Bible by yourself in a whole year.” VINDICATION 111, 1932, p. 383. See also GOLDEN AGE, August 17, 1932, p. 736.
Of course it is hard to imagine any reading so utterly useless and a waste of time as reading the Bible, the only reading material that could possibly be more hopeless would be Watchtower literature.
All I can say is that I do not have any problems with the parts of the Bible I don't understand. It is the parts I understand that is so utterly revolting.
Norm.
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How do I thank you?
by WindRider inhi everyone, my goodness....i dont know how to thank all of you!
your posts touched me so deeply; i dont know how to thank you all or how to tell you how much your kindness and love have meant today.. i know we all have so many of our own problems and issues to deal with; i feel kind of foolish for.....god, i dont know what?
for feeling so lost, so utterly impotent to change all that is going on, both inside my head as well as in my family, that i would be weak enough to want to give up and give in.
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Hi there WindRider,
Sorry to hear about your problems. I have been busy this last week (two hard drives conked out on me) so I don't know the nature of your troubles but it is good to see that you have bounced back. Being strong is all very well, but some times being too strong leads to overextending yourself. Stong people also need support and to recharge once in while. Like everybody else they need to be held and comforted, hope you get all that.
All the best,
Norm
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Watchtower Society visits Apostate Website!
by Rado Vleugel inhello friends,.
i thought this might interst you:.
the wts is a regular visitor of watchtower information service, in the definition of the watchtower, an apostate website (screenshots of site statistics that proof the visits of the wts are shown in the article)!.
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We know that the WT Bethel computer systems are equipped with filters
so the average Betheliste with access to a computer and internet will be unable to access such sites. No doubt they also have installed the spyprogram that can watch every move done by those who venture out on the net.I agree with Rado that this is no mere coincidence. The visits from the WT is done by people who have been assigned the task of keeping an eye on Apostate web activities and report back to their bosses.
This is only logical, as the Internet has caused the WTS major problems.Norm
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JW's Say To Love Your Children..........!!!!!!
by ladonna ini get this in my email.
thought i'd share this one!!!!!.
children need a sense of security to overcome their fears, especially in .
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I don't think the problems is that JW's don't love their children because they do. Just like in any political and religious organization with an unhealthy ideology the problems start when there is a conflict between the organizations interests and the individuals interest. Such organizations always have a major "cause". It is always the Cause or the purpose that get priority.
I such cases parents must choose to be loyal to the organization and the cause at the cost of the welfare of their children or other relatives and family members.
This is spelled out in no uncertain manner time and time again in the KH and the WT literature:
*** w89 9/15 24 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead ***
This is the main reason why the WTS is protecting child abusers. Nothing must "hurt" the holy and almighty ORGANIZATION. No evil deed, no act is too filthy that it can't be hushed up, swept under the carpet in order to keep the WT facade "clean".
But how would you act if one of your relatives was disfellowshipped? While there might be a need for limited contact to care for family matters, all spiritual association with the disfellowshipped relative would have to be cut off. (See The Watchtower, April 15, 1988, pages 26-31.) Surely, loyalty to God and his organization should move us to respect the judicial decisions of the overseers.In an environment like that, love and respect, children's and other individuals interests is never a concern.
Norm
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Ethics and morality,
by Norm inin the west we are rightly very concerned with child labour and other such matters.
western consumer groups boycott firms that have their clothes made by factories using children.
i know this is usual in europe and i guess it is in the us too.. in other areas we see no such concerns.
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Puppy,
Among other things you said:
I don't like seeing America bashed anymore than you would like seeing NORWAY bashed. And if you don't understand that, then the JW's took away too many of your brain cells.
It is valid criticism puppy, not bashing. You are welcome to criticize Norway any day, I will not get emotional about it. Since you bring in brain cells and JW's, I find that this spitting and spluttering about "bashing" reminds me of what is happening to a JW when you criticize the WT Society.I don't think you should read these postings, as long as you are unable to address the actual subject.
Norm
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Ethics and morality,
by Norm inin the west we are rightly very concerned with child labour and other such matters.
western consumer groups boycott firms that have their clothes made by factories using children.
i know this is usual in europe and i guess it is in the us too.. in other areas we see no such concerns.
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Puppy
Just because YOU say something is true, doesn't make it true of every American. Yes, SOME states in the US have capital punishment. SOME states have voted it out. The average American probably cares as much about Saudi Arabia as the average Norwegian does.
Well, I see that you are getting even more emotional, you are even strating to generalize about "average Norwegians". Where have I stated that every American endorse capital punishment? It is you who have made that assumption, don't blame me for that.
I'm sick of self-rightous, "we know best about the world and American's suck" kind of comments.That said I am afraid that the average Norwegian know a lot more about the dealings of the Saudi's because the press report it and write about it here. You don't have to be sick about that Puppy, you see I don't know best, and Americans don't suck in my book, so again, I think you have to look to yourself. Why do you react so emotionally?
Norm
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Ethics and morality,
by Norm inin the west we are rightly very concerned with child labour and other such matters.
western consumer groups boycott firms that have their clothes made by factories using children.
i know this is usual in europe and i guess it is in the us too.. in other areas we see no such concerns.
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Hi Windrider,
You said:
See Norm, that is what I am taking umbrage with....your comment to Puppy Love was it? That you know the US is far above critisicm(obviously said in a sarcastic voice).....who said that the US was above critisicm?? I live here, love living here and yet I strongly criticize my govt. Esp. the current one. You are not being fair to write those kind of statements. Besides they are just plain wrong. And they do nothing for the validity of your basic argument.
Well, from the reactions I get here I am starting to wonder if not quite a lot of you consider it very bad form to say anything you don’t like about the US.
Sincerely, WindriderWhat is it that I have said that is untrue? Do the US have capital punishment or not?
Do Americans know or care about what the Saudi’s do? Who has dealt with my “basic argument”? Mostly I see a lot of emotional stuff about “bashing”.
What’s really the problem, Windrider?
Take care,
Norm
PS. If you should decide to take that world trip I will be happy to put you up here in Oslo In my very humble abode.