Little Toe, You seem to be very ignorant as to this atheists position. What's there to explain from an Atheist's viewpoint? There is no evil, malignant force in nature. If you live in an earthquake you might die from an earthquake. If you live near a volcano, you might die from an eruption. If you live near the seafront in a known tsunami aera, you might die in a tsunami. No need for any fanciful explanations involving an imaginary man in the sky. Nature is dangerous, the earth isn't a safe place, living in itself actually eventually end with death. These are verifiable facts as we can observe them all the time. Of course the death of people due to natural disasters and other causes are tragic events. I for one don't find any pleasure or meaning in such tragedy. I don't see any kind of outside force "culling" population growth. In nature we can observe quite natural processes "culling" population growth in certain species habitat when they outgrow their resources, this is however at least not yet the case with the human species. It is only when superstition comes into the picture any kind of "explanantion" is reguiered. Something I am pretty sure will never come from your direction. Norm
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Stupid questions require stupid answers
by Norm inchristians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?
they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.
lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:
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by Norm inthe watchtower magazine want us to remember 3 witnesses murdered by the nazis in 1945.
*** w03 1/15 p. 32 executed witnesses of jehovah remembered *** .
executed witnesses of jehovah rememberedon march 7, 2002, a memorial plaque was unveiled in the town of kormend in western hungary.
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The Watchtower magazine want us to remember 3 Witnesses murdered by the nazis in 1945.
*** w03 1/15 p. 32 Executed Witnesses of Jehovah Remembered ***
Executed Witnesses of Jehovah RememberedON March 7, 2002, a memorial plaque was unveiled in the town of Körmend in western Hungary. It commemorated the death of three of Jehovah?s Witnesses murdered by the Nazis in 1945. The plaque is fastened to the wall of the present-day headquarters of the fire department on Hunyadi Road, where the public executions took place. The plaque was dedicated to the memory of ?Christians who were executed as conscientious objectors in March 1945. Antal Honisch (1911-1945), Bertalan Szabó (1921-1945), János Zsondor (1923-1945), 2002, Jehovah?s Witnesses.?
I think we should also remember those who were murdered by the Watchtower Society. Here are a few of the victims:
*** g94 5/22 p. 9 Youths Who Have ?Power Beyond What Is Normal? ***
Lenae Martinez
Now she was in the Valley Children?s Hospital in Fresno, California, U.S.A. She had been admitted there for what appeared to be a kidney infection. Tests revealed, however, that she had leukemia. The doctors treating Lenae determined that packed red blood cells and platelets should be transfused and chemotherapy started immediately.
Lenae said that she wanted no blood or blood products, that she had been taught that God forbids that, as shown in the Bible books of Leviticus and Acts. ?For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication.? (Acts 15:28, 29) Her parents supported her in this stand, but Lenae stressed that it was her decision and it was very important to her.
Crystal Moore
Such consideration was not accorded 17-year-old Crystal Moore when she was admitted to Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center in New York City. She was suffering from inflammatory bowel disease. Upon her admission to the hospital, Crystal, along with her parents, emphasized repeatedly her refusal to accept blood. She did not want to die; rather, she wanted medical treatment consistent with the Bible?s command to abstain from blood.?Acts 15:28, 29.
Lisa Kosack
Lisa?s first night in Toronto?s Hospital for Sick Children was worse than a nightmare. She checked in at four in the afternoon and was immediately given a series of tests. She didn?t get to her room until a quarter past eleven that evening. At midnight?well, let Lisa tell what happened. ?At midnight a nurse came in and said: ?I have to give you some blood.? I cried out: ?I can?t take blood because I?m one of Jehovah?s Witnesses! I hope you know that! I hope you know that!? ?Well, yes, I do,? she said, and immediately pulled out my IV and shoved in the blood. I was crying and becoming hysterical.?
Ernestine Gregory
At 17 years of age, Ernestine was diagnosed as suffering from leukemia. Upon being hospitalized, she refused to consent to the use of blood products to support the chemotherapy the doctors wanted to administer. Because of Ernestine?s refusal and her mother?s support of her choice of nonblood treatment, the hospital reported the matter to the welfare officials in Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A., who in turn sought a court order to use blood. A hearing was arranged, at which the trial court heard testimony from Ernestine, a medical doctor, a psychiatrist, and an attorney, as well as from other people involved.
All of these youths were victims of the insane and superstitious anti blood propaganda of the Watchtower Society. They had been subjected to that relentless propaganda since childhood without any chance of getting balanced and factual information. They are examples of how insane fundamentalist Christians can get and hold absolute power over their unfortunate sucjects and manipulate people to actually die for their insane superstition. The ultimate power, with that kind of power, they actually has become Gods.
Norm
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Stupid questions require stupid answers
by Norm inchristians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?
they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.
lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:
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Hey Valis:
Pickled Herring or Mescal, same shit.
Hope you are well down there in Bush country and
enjoying life at it's fullest.
A Paduan
You said:
"To say "christian" and then put up a jw point of view/theme as example (subjection to rulership - a jw favourite) is like a straw man argument against christianity - I say that I am christian because I could hear and identify, without need for or the utilising of superstition - I could agree and be who it is "I am". The jw subjection and rulership trip is a whole other kettle of fish."
Really? I think they are identical twins. But you must feel free to bring your own explanation of the presence of suffering and pain in a world where a just and loving Christian God is in control. I for one would just love to have this cleared up once and for all. Preferably without resorting to superstitious and supernatural arguments.
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by Norm inchristians always tell us how loving, caring and just god is, how he never ?forgets?
they also claim that god is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.
lets pay attention to what the watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:
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Christians always tell us how loving, caring and just God is, how he never ?forgets? us etc. They also claim that God is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a ?purpose?.
Lets pay attention to what the Watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:
?*** w03 1/1 p. 4 Comfort for Those Who Suffer *** Comfort for Those Who Suffer However, claims that God is somehow an accomplice to suffering, that he is unable to prevent it, or that suffering is a mere figment of our imagination offer scant comfort to those who suffer. And more important, such beliefs are utterly at odds with the just, dynamic, and caring God who is revealed in the pages of the Bible. (Job 34:10, 12; Jeremiah 32:17; 1 John 4:8) What, then, does the Bible say about the reason why suffering has been permitted??
Then the Watchtower starts to ?explain? God and suffering, let us see if it has any more merit then the ones that were dismissed above:
*** w03 1/1 pp. 4-5 Comfort for Those Who Suffer *** How Did Suffering Begin? God did not create humans to suffer. On the contrary, he endowed the first human couple, Adam and Eve, with perfect minds and bodies, prepared a delightful garden to serve as their home, and assigned them meaningful, satisfying work. (Genesis 1:27, 28, 31; 2:8) However, their continued happiness depended on their recognizing God?s rulership and his right to decide what was good and what was bad. That divine prerogative was represented by a tree called ?the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.? (Genesis 2:17) Adam and Eve would demonstrate their subjection to God if they obeyed his command not to eat from that tree. Tragically, Adam and Eve failed to obey God. A rebellious spirit creature, later identified as Satan the Devil, convinced Eve that it was not in her best interests to obey God. In fact, God was supposedly depriving her of something highly desirable: independence, the right to choose for herself what was good and what was bad. Satan claimed that if she ate of the tree, ?her eyes were bound to be opened and she was bound to be like God, knowing good and bad.? (Genesis 3:1-6; Revelation 12:9) Seduced by the prospect of independence, Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, and Adam soon did the same. That same day, Adam and Eve began to experience the results of their rebellion. By rejecting divine rulership, they lost out on the protection and blessings that subjection to God had afforded them. God evicted them from
Wow!, Now we finally got it. All the crap that happens to us humans, including the latest Tsunami disaster has its explanation in a woman and a talking snake in a garden a long time ago, yup, how can anyone ever miss that, huh? That really makes sense, eh? I mean who among us would want anything as awful as independence? Of course God seemed completely powerless to prevent all this highly irregular behavior perpetrated by his ?perfect? creation. He clearly was a powerless bystander helplessly watching his obviously very flawed creation screw up in a major way, plunging mankind into pain, suffering and misery. What is, caring, just and loving about that?
Is the complete and utter nonsense presented above any less silly then the ?explanations? discussed further above? Isn?t the one who supposedly started all this indeed an accomplice to it? And the simple fact that suffering is still going on is of course excellent proof that God was indeed unable to prevent it, or didn?t care particularly about it perhaps.
Just look at this question again:
?*** w03 1/1 p. 4 Comfort for Those Who Suffer *** Comfort for Those Who Suffer What, then, does the Bible say about the reason why suffering has been permitted??
Think about this. Suffering was permitted! By whom? By God of course. Did he have to permit it? Yes, apparently he had to. If he permitted it to happen, he is of course responsible for it. Is there any good reasons to ?permit? people to suffer in all kinds of horrible ways? Of course there isn?t. Is it a sign that a person who ?permit? such horrific things care for us and love us? Of course it isn?t.
But the ?explanation? gets far worse:
?*** w03 1/1 pp. 5-6 Comfort for Those Who Suffer *** Settling the Issue Someone may ask, ?Could God not have simply overlooked Adam and Eve?s sin?? No, because that would have further undermined respect for his authority, perhaps encouraging future rebellions and resulting in even greater suffering. (Ecclesiastes 8:11) In addition, condoning such disobedience would have made God a party to wrongdoing.
This is of course complete nonsense; if God is omnipotent he can overlook whatever he wants. The idea that it would ?undermine his authority? is even sillier. An omni-whatever God wouldn?t even put himself in such a jam in the first place.
?*** w03 1/1 pp. 5-6 Comfort for Those Who Suffer *** Settling the Issue The Bible writer Moses reminds us: ?God?s works are perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.? (Deuteronomy 32:4, footnote) To be true to himself, God had to allow Adam and Eve to suffer the consequences of their disobedience.
Repeating such ass-kissing sucking up to drivel about how wonderful God is supposed to be doesn?t alter the facts that he seems to be a first class bungler. The Christians love to use the ?father/parents motif on God, but if any parent was so completely negligent with their children, the authorities would take their children away from them immediately.
?*** w03 1/1 pp. 5-6 Comfort for Those Who Suffer *** Settling the Issue Why did God not immediately destroy the first human couple along with Satan, the invisible instigator of their rebellion? He had the power to do so. Adam and Eve would not have produced offspring subject to a legacy of suffering and death. However, such a demonstration of divine power would not have proved the rightfulness of God?s authority over his intelligent creatures. Furthermore, had Adam and Eve died childless, that would have signaled the failure of God?s purpose to fill the earth with their perfect descendants. (Genesis 1:28) And ?God is not like men . . . Whatever he promises, he does; he speaks, and it is done.??Numbers 23:19, Today?s English Version. ?*** w03 1/1 pp. 5-6 Comfort for Those Who Suffer *** Settling the Issue In his perfect wisdom, Jehovah God decided to allow the rebellion to proceed for a limited time. The rebels would have ample opportunity to experience the effects of independence from God. History would demonstrate beyond doubt mankind?s need for divine guidance and the superiority of God?s rule over man?s or Satan?s. At the same time, God took steps to ensure that his original purpose for the earth would be fulfilled. He promised that a ?seed,? or ?offspring,? would come who would ?bruise Satan in the head,? eliminating once and for all his rebellion and its damaging effects.?Genesis 3:15, footnote.?
More completely silly and false dilemmas. This is just yet another example of the hopeless nonsensical drivel that is presented as an ?explanation? This doesn?t explain anything, it is as usual just an attempt to cloud things and drown the reader in senseless words.
Then we get the song and dance about the ?ransom sacrifice? which takes the biscuit in it?s incredible silly premise. I don?t think that this drivel even made sense to those poor superstitious shepherds that allegedly cooked up this nonsense a long time ago.
The obvious stares us all in the face. We are here on this planet; we are a species among many in a world - a nature that doesn?t care about anything. Volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornados are just a part of the system on the planet. We know that over 90% of all the species that has lived on the planet is extinct, we know that it has been hit several times by huge comets and that it most likely will be again. We are no more then a mere species among many on this planet. We might not be around anymore in a million years. Life isn?t fair; existence isn?t fair as we see it. There is no God that looks after us. Life as such has absolutely no meaning, we must give life meaning ourselves, we can?t expect anyone ?out there? to do that for us. We can only give life meaning by behaving as ethical and moral beings, helping each other and cooperate with each other. We don?t need a fantasy, a God to do that, we don?t have to bullshit our self
with complete nonsensical ?explanations? for something that doesn?t need any explanation, as we can observe the realities around us every day. There is much comfort and satisfaction in accepting reality. Acceptance of it gives peace of mind and enable you to get on with life and stop wasting your time on superstitious nonsense.Norm
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Elitism and the ?Final Solution?
by Norm inmany of mankind?s most infamous leaders have had as their central idea that in order to ?solve?
whatever they have perceived as mankind?s problems can be solved by genocide.
one of the best know in our time is adolf hitler.
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Thank you Annie, A happy new year to you too. It seems a strange but common idea in both religious and political movements that any change for "the better" simply has to be preceeded by enormeous slaughter. In our recent history people like Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot has rightly earned our contempt and disgust. Vey few seem to think about the simple fact that both the WT paradise and the more common Chrstian one, both are based on the idea that non Christians/JW's do not have the right to exist and thus have to be exterminated by their God. Norm
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by Norm inmany of mankind?s most infamous leaders have had as their central idea that in order to ?solve?
whatever they have perceived as mankind?s problems can be solved by genocide.
one of the best know in our time is adolf hitler.
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Many of mankind?s most infamous leaders have had as their central idea that in order to ?solve? whatever they have perceived as mankind?s problems can be solved by genocide. One of the best know in our time is Adolf Hitler.
He followed an old European/Biblical tradition of blaming the Jew?s for all the problems facing the German people and the world. Exterminating the Jew?s would bring on a ?New Order? with a thousand year reign of prosperity cleaned of Jew?s and sub human people like the Slav?s of Eastern Europe.
This thinking was based on the idea that there existed a superior race and in order for that race to get anywhere the other ones had to be exterminated or made slaves.
Pol Pot, the Cambodian revolutionary had another brand of elitism that was based on another concept, he proposed the idea that if you could wipe out all the educated people, life would be much better for the Cambodian people.
Other?s have based their elitism along political lines, based on the concept that only one particular political view is acceptable and those not subscribing to it must be either converted or die.
This latest one reminds us about the religious area where Christianity itself is based on the elitism of religious orthodoxy. Only those who belong to the Christian faith have the right to exist so you have to convert of die, which of course make?s the Christian religion into the basically evil force it is.
As this isn?t enough that religion has been divided among itself by thousands of splinter group which all insist on possessing the ONLY ?truth? and that everybody else has to conform or die. They have created a kind of super elite within an elite. One such movement is the Watchtower Society. They have reached such an advanced stage of religious elitism that they already now can tell us who is unworthy of existence:*** w53 2/1 85 Deliverance to a Righteous World ***
Jehovah uses his organization to effect deliverance, and one?s being delivered depends on his relationship to God and to God?s organization. To many this may seem a narrow view of matters, yet we cannot condemn as unthinkably narrow what Jehovah provides for our deliverance. (Matt. 7:13, 14) We must seek deliverance on God?s terms.
Here we are told that the only chance any human being have for a future existence is to join the Watchtower organization. To make matters worse, being a member if this life saving organization isn?t quite enough, loafers and loiterers will be smoked out, so get out there and ?place? Watchtower literature:*** w53 4/1 220 "Do Not Loiter at Your Business" ***
20 Loafers, beware! There are still a few who associate with the organization who claim they are in the truth, yet they have no works to prove it. If they ever had any faith it is now dead. (Jas. 2:14-26) In their dedication vows to Jehovah they said they would go to work in his vineyard, but they never did. Now Jehovah blesses those that go, not the sluggards who say they will go to work but fail to do so. ?As vinegar to the teeth, and as smoke to the eyes, so is the sluggard to those who send him on an errand.? Let such heed the warning: No loitering allowed in the theocratic organization! If you will not work you shall not eatIn such organization there is a strong longing back to the good old day?s where one could deal with such ?elements? in a truly theocratic way and exterminate them forthwith after a brief ?trial? in the city gate:
*** w52 11/15 703 Questions from Readers ***
We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. ?Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee.??Deut. 13:6-11, AS.
Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God?s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God?s law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof.
*** w61 10/1 597 Prophesying with the Loyal Organization ***
In ancient theocratic Israel such false prophets were to be tried before witnesses, exposed and stoned to death. (Deut. 13:1-11) Today the true Christian congregation may not enforce such a death penalty for prophets of deception who try to induce disloyalty to God and his kingdom. But the congregation can give them a spiritual smiting or striking with the truth of God?s Word, even wounding them sorely at heart and in spirit.
26 The very ones who have intensely loved them must strike and wound them in order to demonstrate their own principled loyalty to God and to his organization and to safeguard his loyal visible organization.Unfortunately because of the Satanic sissy democracies and humanist wimps the wonderful rule of God cannot be acted out as ordained by the almighty. That severely hampers the theocratic organization in Brooklyn to limit their sanctions to hating and shunning those who disagree with their views. This is what happens when people are in such a grip of religious delusion:
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3 Let the honest-hearted person compare the kind of preaching of the gospel of the Kingdom done by the religious systems of Christendom during all the centuries with that done by Jehovah?s Witnesses since the end of World War I in 1918. They are not one and the same kind. That of Jehovah?s Witnesses is really ?gospel,? or ?good news,? as of God?s heavenly kingdom that was established by the enthronement of his Son Jesus Christ at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914.Any ?honest hearted? person who has actually bothered to make such an investigation has of course quite soon discovered what a complete sham and house of cards both the Watchtower Society and the Christian religion are. But this doesn?t stop superstitious and delusional people from making condemnations and judgements upon people who do not share their own particular superstition and insanity:
*** w85 9/1 24 God's Ministers Prove Their Qualification ***
13 Since the end of World War I, Jehovah?s Witnesses have asked Christendom?s clergy: ?Are the catastrophic events that have afflicted our earth from 1914 onward a fulfillment of Jesus? prophecy at Matthew 24:3-13?? If those clerics honestly said yes, they would have to admit that Jesus Christ came into his heavenly Kingdom in 1914.
*** w85 9/1 25 God's Ministers Prove Their Qualification ***
15 So Christendom?s clergy refuse to take a stand for Jehovah?s Kingdom by Jesus Christ. For failing to support it, they will be destroyed in the ?great tribulation? just ahead.What do such supremely hypocritical ?true believers? say when they are confronted with their bigoted ?holier than thou? attitudes? Then we get the tolerant ?window dressing? version which is aimed at making their raving lunacy a little bit more edible, at least of the surface:
"It is good for all of us to resist any inclination to act as judges, recognizing that in the final analysis, Jehovah?s judgment by means of Jesus Christ is what counts."?Questions From Readers,
The Watchtower, 1993 5/15: 31Don?t be fooled by such mealy mouthed phrases. According to the Bible, Jesus wasn?t a very tolerant man at all, he was just as much a ?true believer? as his adherents. If you didn?t buy his version of reality, you aren?t qualified to exist anyway. So what?s new?
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by coldfish ini've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.
my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.
he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.
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Well, Sabrina, about all I can say at this point is that you've nicely demonstrated what I find so sad about most Christians: they're illogical to the end, and refuse to deal with facts that cause cognitive dissonance. You in fact are angry with me because I proved that, despite your objections, you have no choice but to agree with Norm and me that Christianity is intolerant. If you disagree with us, you automatically disagree with the Bible. If you agree with us, your Christian ego is deflated. The resulting cognitive dissonance causes you to misdirect your anger.
As for not reading the rest of my post, you've personally demonstrated yet another characteristic of many Christians: a tendency to stick fingers in ears and shout "LA LA LA LA LA LA!" until the irrititating thought goes away.
AlanF
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by coldfish ini've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.
my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.
he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.
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Hi again Sabrina,
Well, that was a refreshing post from you there. Finally we can agree on what I said in my first post that Christendom through claiming to be the only true religion
are inherently arrogant, intolerant, discriminating and a thus a source of hatred and confict. In other words part of the problems mankind are struggling with, not the
solution.Through it's claim to possess the only truth it has caused enormeous suffering and bloodshed and been a scurge on mankind for centuries. As a moral and ethic guiding
force it has proved a disaster. Lets hope that 2005 will see a better world with increased enlightenment and less superstition, hatred and war.Happy new Year,
Sabrina
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by coldfish ini've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.
my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.
he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.
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Hello Lisa,
You said:
think I just got ADHD from reading three pages of this freaking thread. I had to stop, so my remarks are directed at only three people.
AChristian who says, "GOD'S STANDARDS ARE VERY HIGH!" Yes, they are so high that they demand his firstborn be sacrificed to make up for some other creation HE made imperfect. This dude is brilliant, and probably had his second career as Kenneth Lay, former ENRON CEO. He makes up the rules as he goes along, mostly to benefit his fragile vanity. Hilarity. God is a Woody Allen creation.
Norm and Alan, I can't even believe you have the attention span to dissect this minutia. It is a testament to higher learning, LOL, and your love of fellow man. You see, if I had the desire or the will, I too could pick apart this drivel. As it is, I try to stay mentally engaged and then moments later, uninterested in playing games of syntax and punctuation and inflection, resort to saying, "get the #*$& outta here."
Lisa
My three year old just made a mess. Should I behead the 14 year old? Class
Yes it is kind of hard work wading through all that stuff, huh? But sometimes it can be interesting to venture into the bizarre world of Christian apologetics just to see if anything has changed lately, but alas it never change. It is always the same explianing away, instead of explaning, dodging simple questions and inventing stuff out of thin air. But I admit that I have had a little too much time on my hands during the holidays enjoying life here in beautiful Colorado.
As of the question of beheading the 14 year old I think the correct Biblical procedure would be to venture down to the city gates and have a quick chat with the elders, they would probably go for a simple stoning, as if you remember this was the loving way God had ordained in dealing with difficult teens back in those good old days.
Take care and a happy new year.
Norm
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The Global Flood
by coldfish ini've just read an intersting article on the flood to do with dates and whether is was truly global or a regional flood.. http://www.commentarypress.com/essay-flood.html.
my father used to be an elder for many years and the flood was one of the things that made him walk away not just from the jw but also belief in the bible.
he was hung up on issues like the flood taking place about 3500 bc and how that fit in with the pyramids.. i don't know much about egyptian history or the ages of the big pyramids, but his reasoning was if the flood wiped out every human on earth except noah etc then at 3500 bc there were only 8 people on earth.
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Hi Sabrina,
As far as I understand your last post, you do actually think that Christendom is the only true religion, or "way" if you prefer that.
Well that wasn't so hard was it? Then I guess that makes all the other ones false, right?
Then we have this one, how do you know that it is the only true religion/way? Since it is a life/death mattter I guess
one has to be pretty sure, right?Then we can get on with the question to what happens to those who belong to the false religions?
Those who doesn't accept Jesus as the way.Norm