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  All sex in dangerous and sinful

  by Norm in

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  for the umpteenth time the watchtower society has published an article about sex.. this time i am referring to some material they have seen fit to publish on their website:whats wrong with premarital sex?.

  http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2004/7/22a/article_01.htm.

  as we know god is extremely preoccupied with sex.

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  I almost forgot the worst sin of them all. To look at a person of the opposite sex with lustful intet is really bad but it is even worse if the person is of the same sex. There is just no way to win is there? Anyway, I can't really understand why the same people who are against abortion also seem to hate homosexuals. I mean who has less abortions then the homosexuals? You would think they make natural allies. Norm
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  All sex in dangerous and sinful

  by Norm in

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  for the umpteenth time the watchtower society has published an article about sex.. this time i am referring to some material they have seen fit to publish on their website:whats wrong with premarital sex?.

  http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2004/7/22a/article_01.htm.

  as we know god is extremely preoccupied with sex.

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  For the umpteenth time the Watchtower Society has published an article about sex.
  This time I am referring to some material they have seen fit to publish on their website:

  What’s Wrong With Premarital Sex?

  http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2004/7/22a/article_01.htm

  As we know God is extremely preoccupied with sex. In fact God use so much time and resources monitoring your genitals that he simply has to ignore, poverty, hunger, natural disasters etc. In spite of this close scrutiny oddly enough he still doesn’t seem to do anything about the pedophiles in the Watchtower Society, go figure. Anyway as we have all learned sex is only for married people and should of course be carried out with the right motive. Only one position is really allowed, face to face missionary, doggy style is of course out and at no time and instance must there be contact between mouth and genital. Of course “fondling of breasts” and such is a no - no and I guess dry humping is out of the question too.

  Anyway back to the Watchtower web site. It kicks off by some comments, apparently from “young” people:

  “I sometimes wonder if premarital sex is really that bad, especially when I feel strange for still being a virgin.”—Jordon.

  “I feel pressure to experiment with sex. I think we all have the natural inclination to,” says Kelly. “Everywhere you turn,” she continues, “it’s all about sex!”

  Well duh! It can’t come as a surprise to anyone that human beings, young and not so young think about sex. When you are young your hormones will make you think about it even if you don’t want to. Apparently even religious idiots know that much. Well, don’t fret, I bet some of those horny Jehovah's Witness virgins can get some juicy advice from the Watchtower Society just read:

  “Then there are youths who refrain from intercourse but who engage in so-called sexual alternatives, such as fondling one another’s sexual organs (sometimes called mutual masturbation). A disturbing report in The New York Times reveals that “oral sex has become a commonplace initiation into sexual activity, widely perceived by many young people as less intimate, and less risky, than intercourse . . . [and] as a means of avoiding pregnancy and of preserving their virginity.”

  Hey, lots of good advice there guys! Bet most of you didn’t know all of that before but Brooklyn has all the good stuff. But don’t get your hopes up:

  Just how should a Christian view premarital sex? And what about so-called alternatives to intercourse? Are they acceptable to God? Are they safe? And do they really preserve one’s virginity?

  Didn’t know what “fornication” is, well read and learn:
  
  An authoritative answer to these questions can come only from our Creator—Jehovah God. And in his Word he tells us to “flee from fornication.” (1 Corinthians 6:18) Just what does that mean? The Greek word translated “fornication” is not restricted to sexual intercourse but includes a variety of lewd acts. So if two unmarried people engage in oral sex or in fondling each others’ reproductive organs, they are guilty of fornication.

  Those Greeks, eh? Fondling genitals and whatnot. What about “lewd” thoughts? Oh yes that’s wrong too.

  But could they still be considered virgins—that is, in God’s eyes? In the Bible the word “virgin” is used as a symbol of moral purity. (2 Corinthians 11:2-6) But it is also used in a physical sense. The Bible tells of a young woman named Rebekah. It says that she was “a virgin, and no man had had sexual intercourse with her.” (Genesis 24:16) Interestingly, in the original Hebrew, the word for “intercourse” evidently included other acts besides normal man/woman intercourse. (Genesis 19:5) So, according to the Bible, if a youth engaged in any form of fornication, he or she could hardly be considered a virgin.

  Wow, Hebrew words too? Rebekah would apparently have blown it if she gave a friend a hand job. God is a strict guy eh? Pity he didn’t have the same standard when it came to genocide, ethic cleansing and such mere trifles, but I mean you must have a sense of proportion here, genitals obviously come first with God.

  The Bible exhorts Christians to flee not only from fornication itself but also from all forms of unclean conduct that could lead to it.# (Colossians 3:5) Others may ridicule you for taking such a stand. “‘You don’t know what you’re missing!’ is what I heard all through high school,” says a Christian youth named Kelly. However, premarital sex is nothing more than the “temporary enjoyment of sin.” (Hebrews 11:25) It can cause lasting physical, emotional, and spiritual harm.
  Yup, sex can be quite temporary, but given about 15 minutes pause a guy can usually perform again and most women can wait that long. Then follows a long litany of the dangers of sex, pregnancy, disease etc. Of course they can’t mention (gasp) condoms. In another article on the same web page we are told about the dangers of phone sex too:

  http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2004/2/22b/article_01.htm
  
  Funny thing is that really safe sex like phone sex and masturbation is wrong too. In fact all sex outside the framework of marriage is wrong and dangerous. It is wrong even thinking about it. No wonder that there are so many problems within the Jehovah's Witness community related to sex. No wonder there are so many teenage marriages. Those presumptuous megalomaniacs who claim to know God’s view of everything do indeed have a heavy responsibility for all the effects of their sick ideas have upon others.
  
  Norm
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  God and Protection

  by Norm in

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  it is little wonder that many ask, why does god allow such suffering?

  comfort for those who suffer.

  comfort for those who suffer.

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  Ello "Shining one",

  You spewed forth:

  Uh Norm,
  
  How do you even get out of bed in the morning? I have never seen you post anything except rants about 'how bad everything is because God is bad and dpesn't do things the way Norm would.'
  
  >We can only give life meaning by behaving as ethical and moral beings, helping each other and cooperate with each other. We don’t need a fantasy, a God to do that, we don’t have to bullshit our self
  
  How do you arrive at what constitutes 'ethical behavior'? Would it hinge on your own idea of 'ethical behavior' or someone elses, say and Imam over in Iran? Or, how about an abortionist or a Hindu who believes in the caste system of human worth? Where does the standard come from and who sets it? If there is no God then there are no viable ethics or morals, everything is relative, and that is the logical delimna that you are in right now.
  
  The Bible has a simple and clear explanation for why mankind is in such dire straits: man wants to rule himself and ignore the simple fact that creation needs to obey the Creator. Why should he do so? Because the Creator knows man inside and out in perfect completeness. God did indeed bear the wrath of sin Himself in Jesus Christ. He has offered grace and mercy instead of judgement. God did not create puppets or automatons. He created persons that He could have a relationship with. He did so knowing that man could and would choose to rebel. He offers a clear choice for us in this world or the next: life eternal with Him or life eternal without Him. Suffering happens because man has chosen that path. God made that path right and straight. If you could look past your bitterness you might just be able to see the Lord reaching out to you.
  
  Nothing and no one can touch me, nor the love for God and from God. That is why Christians perservere to the final breath.
  
  Rex

  Got out fine this morning and after a couple of coffe reading the news I am now here wasting my time responding to your superstious rant. For thinking people it is quite natural to arrive at what constitues ethical behavior. That was done loong before the Bible arrived in it's present form. Ancient Chinese and others had formulated excellent standards for ethical and moral behavior. You seem to be under the usual delution that without, insane superstious religion people would go ape and lose all sense of decency and moral. People like you might do that but sensible decent people don't need the threat of a bad tempered homicidal maniac God hanging over us to make us "behave". We actually do it because we genuinely want to be decent human beings. A simple concept seemingly impossible for a legalistic superstitious person to grasp. The Bible is a complete mess and now I am talking about the real Bible, not those carefully selected few least embarrassing texts that you and mother in Brooklyn has picked out and tried to make some sense of, without much success I might add. I see you are "playing back" the ususal canned regurgitated superstitious drivel that has been "taped" on to you in the KH. Complete nonsense void of anything but a demonstration of how a deeply superstitious mind works. It is inded sad to behold a being so unable to differ sheer fantasy from reality, but alas we know how it works. You don't have to tell us, unfortunately we know that no sense, no amount of truth reasoning and logic can "touch" you. Somehow you have lost that ability at some point in you life, it is indeed tragic and sad. You see "Shiney" everybody "persevere" to their final breath it's not unique to you. Norm
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  God and Protection

  by Norm in

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  it is little wonder that many ask, why does god allow such suffering?

  comfort for those who suffer.

  comfort for those who suffer.

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  Hey all, Good to see I am not alone in having reached the same conclusions as you have.
  It is great that we can finally use our thinking ability to what it was intended for instead
  of running round in an endless loop of superstition and nonsense as our "friend" with
  the presumpeous moniker "Shining One" apparetly does. Thanks to you all for your kind
  comments and encouraging words. I do not comment much these days but somehow when I on rare occations get my hands on a WT magazine I can still feel the urge to write something
  flare up :-)

  Take care,

  Norm
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  WTBTS or IBSA

  by Jim_TX in

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  the other day, i was in a local half-price bookstore.

  just out of curiosity, i went down the 'religious' isle, and sure enuf, i saw a couple of publications by the witnesses wedged in with the usual other things, bible-related.. i also saw a spanish printed something-or-other... a recent publication (although i don't remember the copyright date).

  i was looking at the information, and it said something like.... published by the watchtower bible and trach society and international bible students association ... etc.

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  BSA is alive and well. Just up the road from the old London Bethel stands a relatively new edifice, IBSA House:

  Norm
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  Fact Jews Returned In 538 BC Kills Off Watchtower Chronology

  by AlanF in

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  the watchtower society's 1914 chronology hinges on a dicey chain of claims.

  if any of these claims is wrong, then the chain is broken and watchtower chronology collapses.

  along with it goes the entire belief structure built on it, including most importantly the claim of the leaders of jehovah's witnesses to have been specially appointed in 1919 by god over "all christ's belongings" on earth.

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  Well Alan F.
  
  I am afraid that if you do continue this blustering and fail to immediately produce
  proof of C. O. Jonsson's correct shoe size and mine also, I am afraid we all including "scholar"
  can never trust anything you say or write again. I mean the illustrious WT scholars have know his shoe size
  for years but modesty forbids them to publish it. As any JW in good standing they deem it improper to draw attention to themselves.
  
  Norm
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  Has anyone ever asked you to help them do something illegal?

  by Scully in

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  i got a weird call from a work mate last night.

  she's going through hell for the past year or so with her soon-to-be ex, who had been carrying on an affair and stopped sharing their family expenses.

  long story short, he's out of the house now and has left her and their kids out in the country without any transportation.

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  Been asked to do things that are illegal in at least 32 states Scully
  but only in bed.
  
  Norm
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  IS EVOLUTION THE ANSWER?

  by Dansk in

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  i'm currently reading richard dawkin's book the ancestor's tale and it suddenly struck me that evolutionists believe all men are equal seeing that we all came from a common ancestor.

  that being the case, would it not serve man to believe in evolution?.

  turn on the t.v.

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  Siddhashunyata uttered:
  

  "There are two catagories of truths, relative and absolute ( they are intertwined giving rise to what may be called "one truth"). Evolution is a relative truth . Causes and conditions lead to changes in causes and conditions which lead to changes in causes and conditions etc, etc etc and on and on. But all of these changes are like the relative waves on the surface of the sea. They appear, they disappear, some are big and frothy some are small with little white tips etc. The absolute truth is water. All of them are water. The waves are many and varied but they remain water always. If the waves don't know they are water , they may think they have a separate existence and become threatened. This fear gives rise to the kind of world we have. So the perception of relative truth is not the answer. The answer is the perception of the relative and the absolute together. When this is achieved , life's objects have a different "quality" . This quality is sensed and expressed as..."all things are One". Walking in that One truth will transform human behavior and the world."

  
  
  Yup, all that is clear as mud.
  
  Norm
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  IS EVOLUTION THE ANSWER?

  by Dansk in

  1. jw
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  i'm currently reading richard dawkin's book the ancestor's tale and it suddenly struck me that evolutionists believe all men are equal seeing that we all came from a common ancestor.

  that being the case, would it not serve man to believe in evolution?.

  turn on the t.v.

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  Interesting question Dansk.
  
  In Biblical times and even up until Galileo, mankind had a very earth-centric view. Because of the Bible we still have a very humano-centric view. Even among evolutionist's there has ben a tendency to view humans as the end product of evolution. Thus we have expression like "primitive" about animals and ideas that monkies and primates are just stages on the way to homo sapiens. Slowly this idea is also starting to lose ground as evolutionists realize that there is no such thing as a "primitive" or "unevolved" organism or species. All species that exist are perfect fully functioning and sucessful within their perimeter or habitat as they have been able to mate and spread their genes to the next generation. Evolution comes in when there is a need for them to change.
  
  If one subscribes to that view, which I do, humans is in no way more important and valuable then other species on this planet. The science of genetics is at it's beginning and will no doubt astound us in the future as we gain more insight into how it works. It is however no longer any doubt that we as humans are related to almost any living organism we are sharing this planet with. We share genes with mammals, reptiles, yes we share genes with yeast, worms flies and mice : http://www.hhmi.org/genesweshare/
  
  I think that human beings really need to be far more humble when it comes to our place and space on this litte planet.
  Much thanks to religion we tend to think far to highly of ourself.
  
  Norm
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  God and Protection

  by Norm in

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  it is little wonder that many ask, why does god allow such suffering?

  comfort for those who suffer.

  comfort for those who suffer.

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  Christians always tell us how loving, caring and just God is, how he never “forgets” us etc. They also claim that God is omnipotent and everything that happens is his will and that it has a “purpose”.

  Every day and every second in a human beings life such claims are contradicted by reality in an overwhelming way, yet most Christians seem to have an almost unlimited ability to ignore reality. This discrepancy between fantasy and reality has brought forth countless articles which are pretending to deal with the obvious problem. Usually in such a helpless and nonsensical way that one wonders how anyone with their wits about them can actually buy such complete rot. An example of one such attempt to ease the fears of reality and lull the reader into the safety of their fantasy world and keep them there was printed in the Watchtower magazine in January 2003. Here are the opening lines:

  “*** w03 1/1 p. 3 ‘God, Why Did You Allow This?’ ***
  God, Why Did You Allow This?’RICARDO still remembers sitting with his wife, Maria, in the doctor’s waiting room. Neither of them had the courage to read the results of Maria’s latest medical examinations. Then, Ricardo opened the envelope, and they hastily glanced over the medical language of the report. They spotted the word “cancer,” and both began to cry as they realized the full import of that word.“The doctor was very kind,” recalls Ricardo, “but he obviously realized the gravity of the situation because he kept telling us that we had to trust in God.”
  
  Before radiation treatment had begun, Maria’s doctor noticed involuntary movements in her right foot. Further tests revealed that the cancer had spread to her brain. After just one week of treatment, the radiation was suspended. Maria slipped into a coma and died two months later. “I was glad that her suffering had ended,” explains Ricardo, “but I missed her so much that I found myself wishing that my life would come to an end too. Often, I would cry out to God: ‘Why did you allow this to happen?’”
  When Tragedy Strikes, Questions AboundLike Ricardo, countless people throughout the world are forced to face up to the reality of suffering. Many times, it is the innocent who suffer. Think of the heartrending grief caused by the relentless armed conflicts that plague mankind. Or consider the pain felt by the numerous victims of rape, child abuse, domestic violence, and other evils committed by man. Throughout history there seems to have been no limit to the injustice and pain that men and women have been willing to inflict on one another. (Ecclesiastes 4:1-3) Then there is the anguish of victims of natural disasters or of emotional, mental, and physical illnesses. It is little wonder that many ask, “Why does God allow such suffering?” Even for those with religious convictions, suffering is never easy to deal with. You too may wonder what reason a loving, all-powerful God could possibly have for permitting human suffering. Finding a satisfying and truthful answer to this puzzling question is vital for our peace of mind and our relationship with God. The Bible provides such an answer. Please consider what it has to say as presented in the following article.”

  The working hypothesis that all hinges upon seems to be that God somehow “allow” suffering. Well, if you are a true believer you can obviously achieve “peace of mind” by happily accepting the shallowest nonsense imaginable. The Watchtower goes on to present some arguments that even they seem to find quite silly, far fetched and unacceptable:

  “*** w03 1/1 p. 4 Comfort for Those Who Suffer ***
  Comfort for Those Who Suffer
  OVER the centuries, the question of why God allows suffering has challenged many philosophers and theologians. Some have asserted that since God is all-powerful, he must ultimately be responsible for suffering. The writer of The Clementine Homilies, an apocryphal second-century work, claimed that God rules the world with both hands. With his “left hand,” the Devil, he causes suffering and affliction, and with his “right hand,” Jesus, he saves and blesses.
  
  Others, unable to accept that God could permit suffering even if he does not cause it, have chosen to deny that suffering exists. “Evil is but an illusion, and it has no real basis,” wrote Mary Baker Eddy. “If sin, sickness, and death were understood as nothingness, they would disappear.”—Science and Health With Key to the Scriptures. In the wake of the tragic events of history, especially from the first world war until our day, many have reached the conclusion that God is simply unable to prevent suffering.
  
  “The Holocaust has, I think, dismissed any easy use of omnipotence as an attribute appropriate to God,” wrote Jewish scholar David Wolf Silverman. “If God is to be intelligible in some manner,” he added, “then His goodness must be compatible with the existence of evil, and this is only if He is not all-powerful.”

  Right off at the top they try to deal with the obvious problem that even to Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society God is indeed “all-powerful” and as the alleged “creator” of all things he was the one who started the whole circus and of course ultimately responsible for all that happened since then. But of course all that has to be “explained” away. Let’s pay attention to what the Watchtower say next as we will come back to it later:

  “*** w03 1/1 p. 4 Comfort for Those Who Suffer ***
  Comfort for Those Who Suffer
  However, claims that God is somehow an accomplice to suffering, that he is unable to prevent it, or that suffering is a mere figment of our imagination offer scant comfort to those who suffer. And more important, such beliefs are utterly at odds with the just, dynamic, and caring God who is revealed in the pages of the Bible. (Job 34:10, 12; Jeremiah 32:17; 1 John 4:8) What, then, does the Bible say about the reason why suffering has been permitted?”

  Then the Watchtower starts to “explain” God and suffering, let us see if it has any more merit then the ones that were dismissed above:

  *** w03 1/1 pp. 4-5 Comfort for Those Who Suffer ***
  How Did Suffering Begin?
  God did not create humans to suffer. On the contrary, he endowed the first human couple, Adam and Eve, with perfect minds and bodies, prepared a delightful garden to serve as their home, and assigned them meaningful, satisfying work. (Genesis 1:27, 28, 31; 2:8) However, their continued happiness depended on their recognizing God’s rulership and his right to decide what was good and what was bad. That divine prerogative was represented by a tree called “the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.” (Genesis 2:17) Adam and Eve would demonstrate their subjection to God if they obeyed his command not to eat from that tree.
  
  Tragically, Adam and Eve failed to obey God. A rebellious spirit creature, later identified as Satan the Devil, convinced Eve that it was not in her best interests to obey God. In fact, God was supposedly depriving her of something highly desirable: independence, the right to choose for herself what was good and what was bad. Satan claimed that if she ate of the tree, ‘her eyes were bound to be opened and she was bound to be like God, knowing good and bad.’ (Genesis 3:1-6; Revelation 12:9) Seduced by the prospect of independence, Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, and Adam soon did the same.
  
  That same day, Adam and Eve began to experience the results of their rebellion. By rejecting divine rulership, they lost out on the protection and blessings that subjection to God had afforded them. God evicted them from Paradise and told Adam: “Cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground.” (Genesis 3:17, 19) Adam and Eve became subject to sickness, pain, aging, and death. Suffering had become a part of human experience.—Genesis 5:29.

  Wow!, Now we finally got it. All the crap that happens to us humans, including the latest Tsunami disaster has its explanation in a woman and a talking snake in a garden a long time ago, yup, how can anyone ever miss that one, huh? That really makes sense, eh? It ranks right up there with the earth resting on a pillar on the back of tortoise, fantastic “explanation” eh? I mean who among us would want anything as awful as independence? Of course God seemed completely powerless to prevent all this highly irregular behavior perpetrated by his “perfect” creation. He clearly was a powerless bystander helplessly watching his obviously very flawed creation screw up in a major way, plunging mankind into pain, suffering and misery. What is caring just and loving about that? Is the complete and utter nonsense presented above any less silly then the “explanations” discussed further above? Isn’t the one who supposedly started all this indeed an accomplice to it? And the simple fact that suffering is still going on is of course excellent proof that God was indeed unable to prevent it, or didn’t care particularly about it perhaps. Just look at this question again:

  “*** w03 1/1 p. 4 Comfort for Those Who Suffer ***
  Comfort for Those Who Suffer
  What, then, does the Bible say about the reason why suffering has been permitted?”

  Think about this. Suffering was permitted, by whom? By God of course. Did he have to permit it? Yes, apparently he had to. If he permitted it to happen, he is of course responsible for it. Is there any good reasons to “permit” people to suffer in all kinds of horrible ways? Of course there isn’t. Is it a sign that a person who “permit” such horrific things care for us and love us? Of course it isn’t.

  But the “explanation” gets far worse:

  “*** w03 1/1 pp. 5-6 Comfort for Those Who Suffer ***
  Settling the Issue
  Someone may ask, ‘Could God not have simply overlooked Adam and Eve’s sin?’ No, because that would have further undermined respect for his authority, perhaps encouraging future rebellions and resulting in even greater suffering. (Ecclesiastes 8:11) In addition, condoning such disobedience would have made God a party to wrongdoing.

  This is complete nonsense; if God is omnipotent he can overlook whatever he wants. The idea that it would “undermine his authority” is even sillier. An omni-whatever God wouldn’t even put himself in such a jam in the first place. Nothing and no one can undermine the authority of such a supreme being.

  “*** w03 1/1 pp. 5-6 Comfort for Those Who Suffer ***
  Settling the Issue
  The Bible writer Moses reminds us: “God’s works are perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:4, footnote) To be true to himself, God had to allow Adam and Eve to suffer the consequences of their disobedience.

  Repeating such ass-kissing sucking up to drivel about how wonderful God is supposed to be doesn’t alter the facts that he seems to be a first class bungler. The Christians love to use the “father/parents motif on God, but if any parent was so completely negligent with their children, the authorities would take their children away from them immediately.

  “*** w03 1/1 pp. 5-6 Comfort for Those Who Suffer ***
  Settling the Issue
  Why did God not immediately destroy the first human couple along with Satan, the invisible instigator of their rebellion? He had the power to do so. Adam and Eve would not have produced offspring subject to a legacy of suffering and death. However, such a demonstration of divine power would not have proved the rightfulness of God’s authority over his intelligent creatures. Furthermore, had Adam and Eve died childless, that would have signaled the failure of God’s purpose to fill the earth with their perfect descendants. (Genesis 1:28) And “God is not like men . . . Whatever he promises, he does; he speaks, and it is done.”—Numbers 23:19, Today’s English Version.

  “*** w03 1/1 pp. 5-6 Comfort for Those Who Suffer ***
  Settling the Issue
  In his perfect wisdom, Jehovah God decided to allow the rebellion to proceed for a limited time. The rebels would have ample opportunity to experience the effects of independence from God. History would demonstrate beyond doubt mankind’s need for divine guidance and the superiority of God’s rule over man’s or Satan’s. At the same time, God took steps to ensure that his original purpose for the earth would be fulfilled. He promised that a “seed,” or “offspring,” would come who would ‘bruise Satan in the head,’ eliminating once and for all his rebellion and its damaging effects.—Genesis 3:15, footnote.”

  More completely silly claptrap and false dilemmas. This is just yet another example of the hopeless nonsensical drivel that is presented as an “explanation” This doesn’t explain anything, it is as usual just an attempt to cloud things and drown the reader with senseless words.

  “*** w03 1/1 pp. 5-6 Comfort for Those Who Suffer ***
  Settling the Issue
  Jesus Christ was that promised Seed. At 1 John 3:8, we read that “the Son of God was made manifest . . . to break up the works of the Devil.” This he did by laying down his perfect human life and paying the ransom price to redeem Adam’s children from inherited sin and death. (John 1:29; 1 Timothy 2:5, 6) Those who truly exercise faith in Jesus’ sacrifice are promised permanent relief from suffering. (John 3:16; Revelation 7:17) When will this happen?

  Then we get the song and dance about the “ransom sacrifice” which takes the biscuit in its incredible silly premise. I don’t think that this drivel even made sense to those poor superstitious shepherds that allegedly cooked up this nonsense a long time ago.

  The obvious stares us all in the face. We are here on this planet; we are a species among many in a world - a nature that doesn’t care about anything. Volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornados are just a part of the system on the planet. We know that over 90% of all the species that has lived on the planet is extinct, we know that it has been hit several times by huge comets and that it most likely will be again. We are no more then a mere species among many on this planet. We might not be around anymore in a million years. Life isn’t fair; existence isn’t fair as we see it. There is no God that looks after us. Life as such has absolutely no meaning, we must give life meaning ourselves, we can’t expect anyone “out there” to do that for us. We can only give life meaning by behaving as ethical and moral beings, helping each other and cooperate with each other. We don’t need a fantasy, a God to do that, we don’t have to bullshit our self
  with complete nonsensical “explanations” for something that doesn’t need any explanation, as we can observe the realities around us every day. There is much comfort and satisfaction in accepting reality. Acceptance of it gives peace of mind and enable you to get on with life and stop wasting your time on superstitious nonsense.

  Norm