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  The GOOD old days!

  by Norm in

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  being parents, as we know isnt a very easy job for anyone.

  for jehovah's witnesses it is even more difficult.

  there is so much devilish hereditary tendencies that you have to beat out of your children.

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  Being parents, as we know isn’t a very easy job for anyone. For Jehovah's Witnesses it is even more difficult. There is so much “devilish hereditary tendencies” that you have to beat out of your children. But there is always a lot of good advice coming from the “channel of communication” in the form of “meat in due season” Take a look at this:

  *** w60 2/1 80 Mildness and Self-Control Yield Peaceable Fruitage *** 16 Now you children, and this also includes all you teen-agers, have in mind that this discipline prescribed by Jehovah is medicine for your good, because disobedience, stubbornness and fits of anger are the ways of sin and death, and they are bound up in your heart from your very birth. It you want to live under God’s kingdom rule, these devilish hereditary tendencies must be forcefully rooted out and supplanted with godly qualities, and the parental rod of correction will help to do this. “Foolishness is tied up with the heart of a boy; the rod of discipline is what will remove it far from him.”—Prov. 22:15.

  Unfortunately the world we live in today with democracy and human rights and such soft, leftist, liberal, atheist, pinko, commie subversive thoughts being sneaked into society for many years have prevented moral and upstanding true Christians from beating their children into pulp. Imagine living back in the good old “theocratic” days when you could have your children terminated after a quick séance in the City gate? That was the times:

  *** w60 2/1 80 Mildness and Self-Control Yield Peaceable Fruitage ***17 There may be rare instances where a child is so hardened in its stubbornness that even the rod of correction cannot drive it out. In the days of Israel parents were instructed by Jehovah to take such a rebel to the city fathers and they, in turn, took the incorrigible one out and stoned him to death. There were no juvenile delinquents under such a system. (Deut. 21:18-21) So also today, the New World society of Jehovah’s witnesses can not and will not tolerate juvenile delinquency to exist in its midst. So, to avoid a possible death-dealing blow by being disfellowshiped from the congregation, wise theocratic children give heed to and follow what God’s Word says: “Children, be obedient to your parents in union with the Lord, for this is righteous.” “You children, be obedient to your parents in everything [this leaves nothing out], for this is well-pleasing in the Lord.

  Unfortunately, because of the liberal, humanist, atheists and such dregs the only true Christians today have to employ a more subtle method of breaking the spirit of their children. If you can’t kill them, you can at least make their lives as miserable as possible, by giving them a “death dealing blow” by disfellowshiping. How wonderful and loving, Jehovah’s organization is!

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  The dim people

  by Norm in

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  the dim people.

  the new world society.

  the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

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  Hello Amos,

  You said:

  Norm, I think I said that when you have a mindset (not specifically religious people), then logic, reasoning won't work. Sorry if I wasn't sensitive enough to your anger and how you are still feeling. Is it possible that instead of the brainwashed Jdubs being the dim witted, it is really individuals who are - whatever labels you gave them - prior to being brainwashed. After all, would a sensible, logical person fall for that stuff. I had no choice - I was raised in it and can plead (?) ignorance. However their message is very appealing to people who are very vulnerable to predators. Once one is brainwashed are we then not just victim blaming?

  People might have all kinds of reasons for being and behaving like idiots. When people are born into or conned into an organization like the Watchtower Society it doesn’t free them from personal responsibility. I think that most people who aren’t in some way damaged through pregnancy and birth are born with the ability for reason and logic.

  Unfortunately already as children far to many are exposed to superstition and fairy tales which they can observe a lot of adults take very serious, thus their thinking skills are already seriously damaged when reaching adulthood. Unfortunately children can’t choose their parents, and when parents are deeply superstitious, they of course do all they can to make their children perpetuate the nonsense. This of course is very bad luck for the child. It isn’t very fortunate to be born a child of fundamentalist parents, be that Moslem, Christian or Jewish. Still, the children can’t be excused concerning their own behaviour. If they choose to continue the legacy of idiocy they got from their parents, they can be pitied, we can understand why, but they can’t be excused.

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  A Chinese Meal with Fred Franz

  by VM44 in

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  near the beginning of the book, "the orwellian world of jehovah's.

  witnesses," one of the authors gives a personal experience where.

  he and others were treated by fred franz to a meal at a chinese.

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  Hi Kismet,

  Among other things you said:

  This might explain one of the reasons I am bothered when I see the personal attacks made against individuals. I knew these people and saw their good sides too.

  All people have good sides Kismet, even those who we consider monsters like Hitler and Stalin, was very loving and caring towards friends family and usually their children. A couple of years ago, a big national newspaper had an interview with the daughter of the Chief of Gestapo in occupied Norway, where she naturally remembered her father with great fondness. This caused a storm from the relatives of those who were tortured and executed on his orders. They of course was greatly disturbed by getting their images of a monster destroyed in such a way. You don’t even have to be particularly or even personally evil to commit the most hideous crimes.
  It is enough that you are committed to a CAUSE. Once you are convinced that the CAUSE are more important than yourself and everything else, it is just a matter of coincidence what horrible atrocities you will commit.

  It is easier to hate an unseen enemy.
  Kismet

  Not on the scale or magnitude of the Nazi’s of course but Franz was no doubt responsible for a lot of problems among the Witness community with his 1975 nonsense. As a prominent leader in the Watchtower Society he was also responsible for shaping and forming the policy that leads to covering up child abuse and the “blood” policy which has caused the untimely death of many Witnesses. Franz and many of the other Watchtower leaders may even have thought, and those alive may still think that they are doing people a favour. Personally I don’t hate any of those people, I consider them examples of how tragic it gets when you succumb to Biblical superstition. Then again, I don’t have any problems understanding those who do HATE these men. Many people have every reason to do so. Anyone who’s life is ruined because of having lost a loved one, or is being shunned by his entire family and social network on the order of these men have every right to hate them.

  Norm
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  The dim people

  by Norm in

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  the dim people.

  the new world society.

  the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

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  TeeJay,

  You said:

  To me it means (among other things) that in the matter of the existence of god logicians seem to omit from the equation what possibly exists but is as yet unknown.

  Even the Bible say that you can’t count what is missing. Logic doesn’t concern itself with the unknown, if it did it wouldn’t be logic. This should be quite obvious, TeeJay.
  Jan made a pretty clear explanation of logic in his post, he said:

  “Logic is distinguished from opinion by not being arbitrary and subjective.”

  Then you said:

  That may be true for many who strictly adhere to logical thought, but even for them, there may, I say MAY exist evidence beyond puny man's ability to register at this point in time. Who is to say what presently existing evidence that is beyond our scope, may one day become measurable, making present "logical" viewpoints of god obsolete.

  Again, what MAY exist is in the realm of faith, NOT logic. Your arguments is very similar to arguments used by Jehovah's Witnesses when they are confronted with evidence that Jerusalem didn’t fall in 607 BCE. Then they claim that yet uncovered archaeological evidence will no doubt prove the 607 date correct in the future. How LOGIC do you think that kind of reasoning is?

  Norm
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  Why believe Revelation or Last Days?

  by Seeker in

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  those of us who used to be jws, i have a question for you: why would any of us think revelation has anything to say about the 21st century, or that we are in the last days period?.

  when we left the jws, we did so because of their false teachings.

  we saw through their faulty reasoning about why we are in the last days.

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  Hi Kes,

  You said:

  I know I may get REALLY shot down for saying this, but I have to say it:

  (Big snip.)

  Wowsers! If that "explanation" didn't clear it all up what will?

  Norm.
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  The dim people

  by Norm in

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  the dim people.

  the new world society.

  the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

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  Hi Amos,

  You said:

  Norm,
  Phew, that was a bit rough. That's the problem with brainwashing - you can't see, hear, feel or touch it. But mind you, it's no different for the rest of the world, once a certain mindset is accepted it's just as hard to shift anyone from their position, whether they be RC, or a cultist, or a political party follower or just have a mindset about social issues. That's why it's so hard to communicate with someone who is brainwashed - as soon as a button (trigger word, such as cross, Xmas ) the tape turns on. Unfortunately, logic, facts, reason does not work - anymore it does with most people. I suppose the bottom line is it doesn't matter whether you are a JW, a Mormon, SDA or some other cult, or just a plain atheist - except for the misery it causes to so many. Just Satan at work blinding the minds of people - not about the borg but the good news about Jesus.

  Well, rough or not, that is how I saw it 9 years ago, and still see it. I agree with you that “logic, facts, reason does not work” on religious people. All kinds of superstitious ideas about God, Satan, angels, demons, pregnant virgins, etc doesn’t belong in the realm of the sane. As long as you are willing to accept such superstition there simply isn’t much chance of having any meaningful communication. How you got to mix atheists who reject all such superstition into that company is beyond me.

  Norm
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  New Bethel complex for UK

  by JEMIMAH in

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  as some of you may know london bethel is very close .

  to buying new land to house a new complex (45 acre site).

  it is not often that ibsa has kept a secret this long before.. any info appreciated.

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  Hi,

  I have visited both the old London Bethel and the new IBSA house.

  It is situated on an very nice place on Mill Hill in north London.
  When you get off the subway train on Mill Hill East it is just a short walk up to the offices. When you get back down the hill again you are usually in dire need of a restorative after listening to all the drivel and there is a very nice pub that will bring back the roses on your cheeks.

  Norm
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  The dim people

  by Norm in

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  the dim people.

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  the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

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  Hi all,

  Thank you all for your kind words, particularly Farkel warmed my heart.
  I wrote this about 8-9 years ago in Norwegian.
  I had more or less forgotten about it until 3 years ago when Kent sent it to a newspaper which to our great surprise published it. It was even read on a local Radio station.

  After that I made an English translation. Of course I can only really speak for myself, but I was a gullible idiot to join the Watchtower Society, but I learned a lot from being an idiot. Now I can easily spot other idiots, and I met an awful lot of them in the Watchtower organization. Some where nice people, some where intelligent people but alas still idiots.

  Those who have been raised from Jehovah's Witness parents are of course a whole different thing. They had no choice and it must be extremely difficult to leave the Watchtower, because it usually means losing one’s whole family.

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  Hey There, Georgie Boy!

  by Englishman in

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  i wonder what george can possibly be saying to our lizzie?.

  englishman.. ..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

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  Cricky! My fly is open!
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  The dim people

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  the dim people.

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  The dim people. The New World Society. The chosen, brain dead, scared people.
  The Watchtower's obedient parrots. Dim witted puppets without any independent will.
  Unthinking participants in never-ending meetings, where you get to hear the Watchtower's self produced nonsense repeated for the umpteenth time. Where you are served this worthless vomit of stupidity that is called "spiritual food". Thin goo, void of any nutrition, because of being reheated over and over again, thousands of times. A spiritual diet that means a dead braid for all those the Watchtower has conned into believing that there is any nutrition in it.

  Fear - the nameless fear, the fear of the stupid people. Fear of facts, fear of reality.
  Fear that only the Watchtower illusions can chase away. Come let us flee far away from reality. Come let us together escape into the illusions, let us together seek Brooklyn's perverted fantasies in their dream world, let us escape further into our black and white world, let us again experience the wonderful time when we could stone our son's and daughters to death, and all those who doesn't agree with us.

  Let the time return when we can stone all of them who refuse to accept our reality.
  Oh Brooklyn let us relive those times. Let us have the privilege to serve you in this manner. Oh Lord let us show our fear of you and our loyalty. Let us have the Watchtowers greatest privilege, to cast the first stone.

  We get to attend all these meetings and assemblies, we get to go from door to door, and like true parrots, parrot Brooklyn's insane nonsense, utter senseless drivel, so obvious to everybody but ourselves, the Organizations true-born, thoroughbred, brain dead, faithful, loyal, useful, insanely grinning, working for free, make believe happy idiots.

  Oh, let this never end, let us like F. W. Franz wait for the "generation" to end in a "million years". The generation that was 15, no 13, no 10, no born in 1914 - the longest generation in history. The thoroughbred Watchtower idiot generation, the generations of idiots that will never end. Let us never "walk ahead" of the organization, but always follow after. Let us in an endless row, insanely grinning playacting, scared, useful drooling idiots, follow in the old fools footsteps.

  Follow them from 1799 to 1874 to 1878 to 1881 to 1910 to 1914 to 1918 to 1920 to 1925 to 1941 to 1975. Let us never think, let us never reason. Help us like genuine idiots to always stick to your organization, our only fortress and protection against common sense. The organization that will always provide us with a totally meaningless answer to any silly question they can conjure up. The organization who can create problems out of nothing. The organization who can stamp problems out of thin air. The organization who can produce false dilemmas out of nothing.

  Let us never lack the Watchtower's limitless resource of "food" consisting of lies, tripe, drivel and nonsense. Let us continue on this diet until we drop in our endless waiting for what is forever promised but will never be experienced by us, Armageddon.

  Help us living like the organizations true children, with narrow minds, narrow hearts, narrow in everything. Let no one catch us doing anything to relieve pain and poverty in the world. Why should we care about the world's problems and hungry children? They are going to be butchered in Armageddon very soon anyway. Oh, we are so happy. What happiness it is to belong to the "happy people". The people which enjoys such a limitless freedom. The people who have the freedom to fight "independent thinking", who are free to "believe everything" that the Watchtower prints - yes, we have freedom to sacrifice life and health for Brooklyn. We thank the Watchtower who gave us the "truth" about the coming of Armageddon in 1914, 1925 and 1975. Yes, thank you oh, Great Organization for all these "life-giving truths". Let us never be found lacking in such great "new truth's" in the next hundred years in the Watchtower Societies suffocating embrace.

  Oh, great Organization who gave us the truth about the blood. Which has given us the great privilege to sacrifice our children and our own lives to you Oh, Almighty Organization. To us you are everything, for you we are prepared to do whatever you demand. We thank you Oh Brooklyn, for this opportunity to show our loyalty and love for your great Organization, by hating and shunning our own family, our children, siblings and friends. Yes, indeed what are they compared to you, Oh great and holy Organization. We are so happy to have the privilege of belonging to it. Your faithful elders cares so much about you that they are willing to shut up about fathers who molest their daughters for years. What's the ruined life of an innocent little girl compared to the Organizations name and reputation? Yes, what's 1000 girls shattered lives against the precious Organizations reputation? Oh no, the elders know what really matters. No lie, no deceit, no fraud - no indecent act must be spared to cast you in a favorable light. Everything to keep your façade clean Oh, Great Organization. We have all received your message loud and clear, command and we will obey, Oh, Great Organization.

  We will always be faithful to you Oh, Great Organization in Brooklyn. We promise that we will never contribute the power to save to any other Organization but you Oh holy one in Brooklyn.

  Norm