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  I am already in heaven folks!

  by Norm in

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  la times have found heaven folks.. and guess what rex, you ain't there.

  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-000089269nov08.story?coll=la%2dheadlines%2dworld.

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  La Times have found heaven folks.
  And guess what Rex, you ain't there.

  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-000089269nov08.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dworld

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  It is "late" again folks

  by Norm in

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  after the wtc tragedy many jehovah's witnesses on the fringes scurried back to mother in case it was the beginning of the big a. one of the watchtower society favorite themes is how incredibly late it is.

  it is in fact always later than you think.

  the problem is that most of the people, who believe how late it always is, seem to completely lack the ability to do much thinking.

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  Hi ISP,

  Yes, it is very nice to have and understanding of that Biblical "soon", eh? "Oh, yeah, I pay you back those thousand dollars, real soon now, ya hear"!

  Norm
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  It is "late" again folks

  by Norm in

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  after the wtc tragedy many jehovah's witnesses on the fringes scurried back to mother in case it was the beginning of the big a. one of the watchtower society favorite themes is how incredibly late it is.

  it is in fact always later than you think.

  the problem is that most of the people, who believe how late it always is, seem to completely lack the ability to do much thinking.

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  After the WTC tragedy many Jehovah's Witnesses on the “fringes” scurried back to “mother” in case it was the “beginning” of the big A. One of the Watchtower Society favorite themes is how incredibly LATE it is. It is in fact always “Later than you think”. The problem is that most of the people, who believe how “late” it always is, seem to completely lack the ability to do much thinking. Now as we have reached the advanced year of 2001 it is of course later than ever before. It has in fact been extremely late since 1799, which is the first year in the Russell/Barbour “chronology”, and in Watchtower Society history.

  Have those present at a series of assemblies held in 1949 experienced any truth in the “public address held with the title: “It Is Later than You Think”?

  *** w52 1/15 59 Assemblies in Frankfurt, Berlin, St. John's ***
  After a dinner at the Berlin office, Brother Knorr and his companions went to the Woodland Stage, where at the district assembly July 29-31, 1949, a Resolution challenging and protesting to the Communist authorities of East Germany was adopted by 17,232 witnesses, this being followed by a public address by the German branch servant on “It Is Later than You Think” to 33,657 hearers.

  Those present back then who is still alive will of course have to conclude that it wasn’t at all that “late”, why? Because they are still here 51 years later, and the speaker was of course talking trough his hat, spouting the usual Jehovah's Witness nonsense.

  Have the Watchtower Society learned anything from this? Of course not! In 1968 it was time again. It was “Later than you think” time again:

  *** g97 1/22 24 "When I Am Weak, Then I Am Powerful" ***
  The Witness who brought the magazines had been coming by for about a year, but my routine did not change until I finally read the October 8, 1968, issue of Awake!, entitled “Is It Later Than You Think?” I liked what I read, and happily, it affected my husband in the same way. We began studying and absorbing the truth like sponges. We couldn’t get enough of all the wonderful things we were learning. In 1969 we were baptized.

  They say that there is a sucker born every minute, and here we can read about at least two of them. Maybe they should have changed the heading to “When I am weak in the head, etc.”
  Anyway, this was 32 years ago and hopefully these idiots have found out by now that it wasn’t at all as “late” as the Awake!, was “thinking”. As usual it turned out to be sheer nonsense. Now, have they learned anything from it? Of course not, in 1991 it is “Later Than You Think” time yet again:

  *** w91 4/1 7 Is It Later Than You Think? ***
  The Jerusalem of Jeremiah’s day was warned of its coming destruction; its inhabitants only scoffed, but it was later than they thought. Today, a much greater warning of Armageddon’s destruction is being sounded, with overwhelming supporting evidence. (Revelation 14:6, 7, 17-20) Millions turn a deaf ear. But time is running out; it is later than they think. Is it later than you think?

  If this mindless idiocy continues, there will probably be a Watchtower issue with the same title 50 years from now, because superstition seems to be hard to get rid of. Come to think of it, the magazines have so many more ways of being useful. This lady used the Watchtower for insomnia, which is great. I have tried it myself, pick up a Watchtower/Awake!, and you will be fast asleep after the first 5 sentences:

  *** yb70 225-6 Country Reports (Part Two) ***
  The Watchtower and Awake! magazines have played a big role in spreading the good news of the established Kingdom. The special issue of Awake! on the theme “Is It Later than You Think?” was left with a Catholic lady in an outlying area of the territory. This lady was very difficult to contact during the winter months because of impassable roads. So three months elapsed before another contact was made. In the meantime what was happening? The lady read this special issue of Awake! over and over again, keeping it by her bedside so she could read it before going to sleep.

  It is quite clear that the Watchtower Society have great problems with the subject of something being “late”. But the word “late” isn’t the only one in the Watchtower vocabulary, which they don’t seem to understand; they have exactly the same problem with the word “soon”. In 1950, the end was of course coming “soon”

  *** w50 7/1 203 The Real Feast of Ingathering Under Way ***
  Reports coming from various parts of the world prove that the work of the anointed remnant is expanding and that the multitude of the Lord’s other sheep are hearing the message and coming to the only place of safety on earth today, that is, the Lord’s organization; and happy is the man that has a part in this great work that will soon end to the glory of Jehovah and the blessing of all that take their stand on his side.

  *** w50 7/1 203 The Real Feast of Ingathering Under Way ***
  27 We have now reached the time of the end, that is, the consummation of this old system of things, and there is much work to be done before the storm of Armageddon breaks to destroy Satan’s wicked organization that has so long reproached the name of Jehovah and persecuted all that took their stand on his side of the great controversy.

  In 1997, the same end would still come “soon”:

  *** w97 5/15 19-20 Theocratic Administration in the Christian Era ***
  The events foretold in Jesus’ great prophecy about “the time of the end” have been coming to pass since 1914, showing that the destruction of this world is near. (Daniel 12:4; Matthew 24:3-14; Mark 13:4-20; Luke 21:7-24) Soon, Jehovah will usher in a new world in which ‘the generation to come’ will ‘inherit the kingdom [the earthly realm] prepared for them from the founding of the world.’

  Of course this endless folly is only natural. You can’t expect people who wait for something that were promised to happen “soon” 2000 years ago, to have any meaningful understanding of the very word soon. So the comedy/tragedy continues in the Watchtower where the end will be coming “soon” for many years yet. One thing is really certain though, when the Watchtower Society says “It Is Later Than You Think” it is always wrong, unless of course it might be later than they think for the Watchtower Society itself.

  Norm.
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  These fundies will never suicide bomb

  by Rex B13 in

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  here is a url that shows the truth of christ's command to christian's, "love they neighbor".

  btw, the same denomination baptized over 950,000 (yep, almost a million) last year.

  my wife, two sons and i were 4 of them.. http://www.namb.net/dr/.

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  Rex,
  You Said:

  Norm, you are a sad case indeed. You cannot stand for someone to have found inner peace and contentment.

  Well, you don’t seem to be experiencing much inner peace and contentment Rex, you seem rather confused and scared to me. Still afraid that your imaginary butcher in the sky will zap you if you do not adhere to his insane rules.
  
  

  Don't throw away eternity until you have really given Jesus a chance. The more that you harden against His word, the more you will be hardened. That is the one unforgivable sin, the 'sin against the Spirit'. May God grant each of you what you ask for.
  Rex

  It is very difficult to give imaginary fantasy figures any chances; it is just like Santa, Bigfoot and the tooth fairy Rex. No matter how many chances they get they are still imaginary. Using your brain and being honest with yourself isn’t a sin Rex, don’t worry. Don’t be afraid Rex, you shouldn’t be so obsessed with sin, it isn’t healthy.
  Above all you must stay away from the Pagan Sodomite Disney World

  Norm
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  These fundies will never suicide bomb

  by Rex B13 in

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  here is a url that shows the truth of christ's command to christian's, "love they neighbor".

  btw, the same denomination baptized over 950,000 (yep, almost a million) last year.

  my wife, two sons and i were 4 of them.. http://www.namb.net/dr/.

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  Hi there Rex,

  I see you are impressed with the increase of Baptism but there is one group that grows much more according to one of your faith’s magazines:

  Atheism: Fastest Growing American Religion
  “Surveys show atheism as the fastest-growing American belief. Up to 8 per cent of adult Americans are atheists” says the April 5, Washington Times in a report titled “Humanists pronounce movement a positive force—Say its influence on culture cannot be stopped.” The Baptist Challenge May 1996. page 9.

  Now we know where you have got the delusion that Atheism is a religion.

  Among other gems you can find in this magazine is this:

  “Carl Sagan: “Educated Fool: Faces Death. World famous evolutionist and star of the “Cosmos” series Carl Sagan was named “Humanist of the Year” in 1981. He said back then he opposed the spread of Christianity. In the 3/18 USN&WR he says “...the Bible is demonstrably wrong in areas of science.” His new book is entitled: The Demon- Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark. Sagan now faces death from a rare bone-marrow disease, and his despair is sad to behold (3/10 Parade): He says: “Four times now have I looked Death in the face ... I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But ... I know of nothing to suggest that [an afterlife] is more than wishful thinking.” He said “I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures....” The god of science offers no hope at death. — CC” The Baptist Challenge May 1996. page 12.

  And this:

  Disney Is Pagan, Pro-Sodomite.
  Creationist Ken Ham in his 2/96 Answers In Genesis says: “[For] years, I have been saying that as people or organizations build their thinking on evolution, they’ll eventually abandon Christian morality, build a humanistic worldview, and eventually move into the New Age movement.” During a re-cent visit to Disneyland, he said “... it hit me how pagan Disney had become.” He cited music, and evolutionary propaganda, and said Disney offers health insurance to live-in partners of its homosexual employees. Disney head Michael Eisner says Disney (which tries to influence children) has the “largest lesbian and gay employees organization in the entertainment industry,” and that “as many as 40 percent of its 63,000 employees might be [homo-sexual].” — CC”
  The Baptist Challenge May 1996. page 12.

  Like the Watchtower this Baptist magazine also have “tips” on proper dress

  “What Is Proper Dress? By Velma Merritt
  Styles in clothing get more and more relaxed. Many churches are feeling the strain of deciding if anything should be said about appropriate dress for church. Parents are sending their daughters in pants and shorts — some even in hot pants — to God’s house.” The Baptist Challenge May 1996. page 10.

  I can really understand that you feel at home in your “new” religion Rex, it is almost like the one you left.

  Norm.
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  Fundamentalists of a different flock

  by Rex B13 in

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  this is a short article from breakpoint and i think that the writer explains the christian view on recent events.

  i hope it reaches those who need it.. this shows why christians are different though being capable of some rather nasty acts.

  to my usual detractors, save your bluster as i will not respond to anyone who hijacks this thread with personal attacks.

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  Hi Rex,

  How very nice, what admirable thoughts. Pity it breakes completely with christian history. That said, how is these commendable thoughts to be implemented? How can the Christian nation USA carry this out? How can the Afghanies be made to benefit from it?

  What are you and the Christians who "feel" this way going to do to make Bush adopt this idea. I mean God himself is of course always blesssing America, right?

  Please explain, Rex.

  Norm
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  The real facts about Islam

  by Rex B13 in

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  this is a link to an article by salmon rushdie, who knows more about islam than all of us put together.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1634000/1634755.stm.

  discussion?.

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  Jelly,

  As Rex was alluding to my alleged "hate" for Jews because I think the Palestinian are entitled to resist the occupying force of Israel. That was the only thing I alluded to with my example above. The suicide bombing, killing civilians inside Israel and the WTC incident can't be defended or justified by anyone including me.

  The occupying force in Palestine, do however kill Palestinian civilians, including children, every day. Somehow those civilian Palestinian lives seem to be far less worth that those civilian Jews and Americans that were killed. Can you explain why?

  When arabs hear President Bush talk about fighting terrorism "everywhere" they say, great, and then ask themselves, will this also include Israeli terrorism?

  I criticise and condemn the killing of civilians everywhere. It is equally wrong no matter who does it. As we can see, the muslim terrorists of Al Quaida killed civilians, the Israelis kill civilians, now the Americans kill civilians in Afghanistan.
  Palestinian and Aghanistani civilians are clearly expendable, "collateral damage". Dead Israelis and Americans are "tragedies". Why?

  Could you perhaps explain jelly?

  Norm
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  The real facts about Islam

  by Rex B13 in

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  this is a link to an article by salmon rushdie, who knows more about islam than all of us put together.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1634000/1634755.stm.

  discussion?.

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  Rex,

  You said:

  Norm,
  I am all for any moderating influence (no matter what form it takes), on those who practice extremism. You are a jew-hating bigot by the casual observance of your posts, make that a Judeo=Christian hating bigot. Isn't that following in the footsteps of the Nazi collaborators in your own country during WW2? Perhaps you carry on a "fanmily tradition"?
  Cheers,
  Rex

  Ah, so I was correct then, You either didn't read what Rushdie said or you didn't understand it. Are you able to substantiate your totally wild accusations here Rex. Is spouting such vile nonsense the only thing you know? Show me one single post with any proof that I hate Jew's and Christians, if not stop being such a blatant liar. Well, that last thing is probably too much to ask, you have to lie in order to exist in your dream world.

  When it comes to history you seem to be as ignorant as you are in everything else. I live in a nation where we were occupied by Nazi Germany, an occupation the population more or less actively resisted by carrying out sabotage and other types of resistance. That was called a fight for freedom back then, today a German occupying force would have called it "terrorism". Do you think you can understand that? Do you think you might learn anything from such a historic fact? Of course not.

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  The real facts about Islam

  by Rex B13 in

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  this is a link to an article by salmon rushdie, who knows more about islam than all of us put together.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1634000/1634755.stm.

  discussion?.

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  Hi Rex,

  It is very interesting that you should point to this article Rex.
  Rushdie is pointing to one thing that you hate more than anything as the hope of the Muslim world as it has showed itself to be when it was able to rid the western world of the stranglehold of Christian fundamentalists. You know, I don't think you read what Rushdie said, and if you did you certainly didn't undertand much of it.

  Read this and weep Rex:

  "If terrorism is to be defeated, the world of Islam must take on board the secularist-humanist principles on which the modern is based, and without which Muslim countries' freedom will remain a distant dream."

  I wholeheartedly agree with Rushdies observation here. Secular humanists was able to break the power of the insane Bible thumphers in our part of the world, now it is the time for the muslim world to do the same. How is it that you are against Muslim fundamentalism Rex, but are unable to see the rafter in your own eye, in your whining crusade against the very humanists that Rushdie talk about?

  Norm
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  Critics

  by abcde in

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  its easy too criticize a religion.any person can do that.trash talking isnt accepted that well amongst the majority of people.why not find something better too offer people.now that would be a better thing too do.this board will probably fizzle out after a while.

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  Hello ABCDE,

  I agree. I am especially impressed with the religion of Taleban.
  They are no doubt beyond any criticism. And they offer the best known religious hope in the world, Martyr death.

  Norm.