i'm hoping someone can shed a little light in regards to the witnesses stance around mosaic law?.
as i understand it, they don't follow the law, however do take some principles from it.. .
so - do they think that the mosaic law came directly from god?
Ok, thanks NC, makes sense now. Well, I understand how the Witnesses explain it away - I don't think it actually makes sense!
What's the principle behind a woman making anything she touches at the time of her period unlean? Or maybe it was just that they didn't have 'sanitary towels or tampons' - and it was an obvious literal instruction ;)
i'm hoping someone can shed a little light in regards to the witnesses stance around mosaic law?.
as i understand it, they don't follow the law, however do take some principles from it.. .
so - do they think that the mosaic law came directly from god?
Thanks everyone - though my head is still spinning a bit :)
I'm just wondering how they explain not following a law that came directly from god? I guess one of the main bits that strikes me (and admittedly I am not completely familiar with the whole law) is the bit about women with their periods being unclean. Obviously a God who created women would not say this, so I don't believe it could be from God... But anyway, that's sort of beside the point (I'm confusing myself - I don't even know what my own point is, sorry haha)
New Chapter thanks so much for your insightful explanation - I don't really understand the bit though about 'Jesus fulfilling the law and so it ended'?
What does that mean - how did he fulfil it (by dying on the stake?) and why did that mean it ended? Surely if it was God's law, it would not change..??
Sorry - I know this post is a bit everywhere! :)
B
just came across this post, where a disfellowshipped blogger posted the letter from his witness mother in which she cuts off the relationship between them.
although i was the one to slam the door and cut off communication with my viper of a mother, my heart goes out to this guy - it's to their shame that the witnesses allow their religion to do this to family..
This is so sad.
This woman is choosing a God -over her own son - which let's face it - God may or may not (probably not really) exist - and even if he does - may or may not agree with the shunning policy... Probably not, though - if he is a god of love
Sad :(
i'm hoping someone can shed a little light in regards to the witnesses stance around mosaic law?.
as i understand it, they don't follow the law, however do take some principles from it.. .
so - do they think that the mosaic law came directly from god?
I'm hoping someone can shed a little light in regards to the Witnesses stance around Mosaic Law?
As I understand it, they don't follow the Law, however do take some principles from it.
So - do they think that the Mosaic Law came directly from God? (and if so, why do they no longer follow it).
Also, how do they know which parts they are meant to ignore and which parts they should 'take the principles from'.
Is anyone able to explain their stance around Mosaic Law to me?
Thanks!! :)
B
so if i spend one dollar a week to buy lottery tickets, i can be disfellowshipped.
if i admit to a couple elders that privately to myself i do not believe that jehovah's witnesses are gods sole channel of truth, i can be disfellowshipped.
.. but if i confess to the elders that i have been sexually molesting a child, i can no longer handle the mics or be a ministerial servant.. i am pissed, read this (i don't even care to make it clickable, cut and paste it):.
New Chapter: I would never live my life in harmony with scriptural principles. Have you read that thing? My morals are much higher than anything the scriptures have to offer. It would be a downgrade.
Couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!
(not sure how to do that special 'quote' thing) :)
B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bb-gem8ehk&feature=plcp.
also here on vimeo: http://vimeo.com/44370032.
aired on australian tv june 2nd 2012.
Thank goodness the court were able to intervene! This infuriates me! As a 2 year old, I was required to have several transfusions as a result of suffering 3rd degree burns. Despite what the wts tells its followers, there was no 'alternative' treatment that would have allowed me to live. The same is the case with this poor child needing a transfusion due to lukeimia. Witnesses spout that crap about there being 'risks' without having any idea what they are talking about! (how can they - did they study medicine at university? Oh no, that's right...). What medical risk is there anyway that is more significant than the 90% chance of death!?
my opinion is that the blood thing is a bit mad - and an incorrect interpretation of the bible, but that's just my opinion and if an adult wishes to die instead of receive blood because that's what they honestly believe (not because they are more worried about being disfellowshipped than dying), then hey, each to their own. But to make that choice for a child who has not yet been given the opportunity to decide what their beliefs are, I feel is just criminal. I often think that if my parents had been JWs when I was a baby, then I wouldn't be here today - even though I have grown up to not believe anyway.
I also think there is an 'out' if they wanted to protect thenchildren ofntheir congo anyway. I mean, if someone takes blood before the know about 'the truth' and then becomes a JW, the fact that they've previously received blood is not in itself a problem. So im sure they could come up with some special spin on it that allows unbaptised children to receive blood at the request of a doctor or something if they are too young to understand 'gods law' and make a choice. I understand them not allowing the parents to ok it - but if a doctor okays it, it's not going to create a problem for the parents or the child within the congregation anyway right?
Allowing innocent children to die unecessarily - now that is what I'd consider to be 'arcaic' and 'medieval'
Argh, rant, sorry. Seething!!
with all of the hype surrounding sparlock ... i didn't see anyone post anything about the sunday drama at the convention.. my husband and i decided that we were only going to attend the sunday of the convention.
we drove down, but got cold feet and we ended up going out for coffee and hitting up the local shopping mall, heading over to the convention for lunch to show our faces, then taking off home for the afternoon.
it was a good day ;).
Oh my goodness - full on!
Just wondering, would the same sort of thing be presented at Australian conventions does anyone know?
form the pro-jw site jwtalk.
this is such a ronald mcdonald court case.
i can't believe what i am reading.. lie: "the lawsuit alleged that watchtower had a policy that instructed elders in its jehovah's witnesses congregations to keep reports of child sex abusers within the religious group secret to avoid lawsuits.".
I think it's interesting that the loyal witnesses are backing up their heavenly organisation and defending them by saying that it wasn't the organisation that molested her, it was one 'imperfect' person.
We know there have been many cases where elders (whether they are elders at the time of the crime or had previously been elders before being moved to a 'lower' position and hushed up.) have abused children.
However - in today's 'daily text' - it states: The “gifts in men” also include members of Branch Committees, traveling overseers, and congregation elders—all of whom have been appointed by holy spirit. (Acts 20:28)
So - the holy spirit is appointing people that have it within themselves to commit a terrible crime against a defensless child!? I mean - there's 'imperfect human' and then there's that! So either the Holy Spirit doesn't think that molesting children is that big a deal - OR the holy spirit isn't really directing the organisation as they are not really God's channel on earth...???
magic as a "force" has been debunked.
no sane person believes it is real.
(except of course jehoobie - and it makes him real sad an' mean mad!).
Woah. Seriously!? Just when I think I have the hang of all the zany things those crazy witnesses believe it - and I think that nothing else can shock me, I read the article above and find myself flabbergasted!!! I cannot believe they really believe in magic!!!
It's kind of funny when you think about young witness kids looking smugly at their non-believing classmates around Christmas thinking 'you fools, there is no such thing as Santa, that's totally ridiculous, you don't know the truth!'. And then they go home to mummy and daddy who are careful that they don't play a cd that might have spiritual undertones - in case they are attacked by a demon. WTF!!??
If it wasn't quite so sad, I think I'd find it quite hilarious!!!
Also - if they were able to seek outside help for mental health, they probably learn that 100% of witnessest who have experienced 'demon attacks' have actually experienced panic attacks. It's quite brilliant really - a witness is beginning to have doubts - feels guilty and anxious and leads to a panic attack/s. the WT response: Demon attack - your spiritual health must have wavered!!!
But still. woah.
i'll always remember this issue of the awake warning jw parents about comic books and why they were so dangerous.. the cover had a kid on the front sitting indian-style reading a comic book, wide-eyed and smiling.
came out in the early 1980's.. i'll always remember it because it screwed up one of my favorite past-times: i was around 13 years old and a hardcore collector.. after this article, it was a continual tug-o-war with my dad over comics....and it lasted until i was 18 and moved out.. .
here's what was telling about that article:.
I remember an in-law saying how Harry Potter was a disgrace because it teaches kids that magic is 'cool' and she will never let her kids read or watch any of the Harry Potter books or movies.
However - Lord of the Rings was / is one of her favourites of all time - work that out!?
