I know this is fake - but are the parts from the Watchtower real? Did they really publish: "The Watchtower must be viewed as being more authoritative than the bible" and "We must believe in everything the Watchtower brings out!?" Surely not...?
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Shocking talk from 2013 District Convention urges parents to shun disfellowshipped children
by cedars inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yldwe_6jsu.
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Bells
So how does it work at these conventions... For example, would the same talk be given at all conventions, all over the world? Or do they differ depending on where they are held and who is giving the talks (and how psychotic that person happens to be) - or is it script that someone at the top prepares for all conventions..??
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Should an elder discourage military service even if said elder has a military pension?
by garyneal indiscussion with my wife concerning what i perceive as a hypocrisy that i see amongst elders (and ministerial servants) who happened to serve in the military long enough to draw a pension check.
all this in a former life (read before coming in to the truth) of course.
i think if said elder were to discourage a young one from seeking military service, or worse participate in the disfellowshipping of such a person if he or she choose to serve, smacks of total hypocrisy.
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Bells
I agree with you that the elder receiving military cheques (checks for you ) is definitely hypocritical.... But then again. - this is the witnesses we are talking about - hypocrisy is what they do best!
They rely on the donated blood of wicked worldly ones for the acceptable 'fractions' that may save their life - but are forbidden to donate blood themselves
They are allowed to pick up a bargain at St Vinnies op shop, but are forbidden to donate any goods or clothes themselves
The rank and file are forbidden to join YMCA - even to use the facilities, but the GB can join the United Nations - for 10 years and justify it.
They publish that priests and clergy within the Catholic Church involved in child abuse proves that the Catholics are a false religion - though when it's Witness a elders in the same situation, they are just 'imperfect men' who have lost their way.
For me, none of the 'justifications' for the above (or any other) acts of utter hypocrisy are sound, yet the rank and file seem to eat it up and think 'sure, that seems reasonable'. If their critical thinking skills were in tact, they would realise that actually, no - it doesn't seem reasonable.
I could go on - the Witnesses are absolute pros at hypocrisy.
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Convention in Canberra Aus this weekend....
by Bells ini'm just wondering whether there is anyone on this forum who may have attended the convention in canberra this weekend.
all of my husbands family went and i'm interested to hear what was talked about - especially in regards to members who have 'fallen away from the truth' or references to worldy people.... i find that how we are treated pretty much depends on what articles have come out in the watchtower (study edition usually) and what talks are being given at the meetings - so knowing what is being said helps me to be prepared.... palso - unrelated but can anyone help me - is the teaching that the anointed will all be gone / dead / in heaven before armageddon comes?
if so, how do they teach that a is 'just around the corner' when the gb are still alive and kicking - as well as other anointed ones... just wowondering.
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Bells
I'm just wondering whether there is anyone on this forum who may have attended the convention in Canberra this weekend.
All of my husbands family went and I'm interested to hear what was talked about - especially in regards to members who have 'fallen away from the truth' or references to Worldy people...
I find that how we are treated pretty much depends on what articles have come out in the watchtower (study edition usually) and what talks are being given at the meetings - so knowing what is being said helps me to be prepared...
palso - unrelated but can anyone help me - is the teaching that the anointed will all be gone / dead / in heaven before Armageddon comes? If so, how do they teach that A is 'just around the corner' when the GB are still alive and kicking - as well as other anointed ones... Just wowondering
thanks :)
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How old were you when you lost your virginity...
by butalbee inhow old were you when you lost your virginity and was it all that you thought it would be?????.
i was 19, and my first time was a complete let down.
i envisioned that gothic romance motif, all about romance and love, i didn't know what i was doing, didn't know sex was like that.
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Bells
I don't think it's bad. I think that the woman that you lose your virginity to will feel very special! You just have to find the right woman - someone who you can TRUST - I think you will have to confide in her.
Or I spose you could pay for sex, if you want to get rid of the virgin status, if you feel like it's hanging over your head. There are options. :)
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What is the WT's definition of an Apostate...
by Bells ini don't mean the 'unruly men who cook up wicked reasoning and season their brew with poisonous lies that deceive minds' definition.... i mean - who are they actually referring to when they are doing these awful talks at the conventions about the mentally diseased apostates etc.. specifically - is an 'apostate' someone who was actually baptised (baptized for you american's ) ?
or can someone who was simply raised in "the truth" but left and was never baptised be classified as this lying, deceiving, mentally diseased apostate also?
or am i considered to be an apostate - even though i wasn't raised in the cult, never went to a meeting etc.
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Bells
Wow, thanks everyone for your responses... though I don't know if I am really much clearer :) I think an apostate is whatever the elders / other witnesses decide! I think that my Mother and Father in Law would not see my husband (their son) as an apostate - (even though he tells them that he doesn't believe that the Witnesses have the truth...) Maybe they justify to themselves that he was never baptised, so he isn't the evil, wicked, mentally diseased people that the WTS warns them about... Though if he was ever talking to a random elder in their 'congo' and expressed the same views, that elder would probably label him an apostate...
Interesting...
nonjwspouse - how is your relationship with your in-laws? (Do you think it's really possible to have an honest relationship with a JW if you're not..??)
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Christmas
by Mahtaw inwas raised a jw, started fading out about 3 and a half years ago.
i recently had a child, and my in laws are baptist.
they love christmas.
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Bells
I would suggest giving it a try purely for your child's sake (maybe no need this year if he/she is still a little baby - but down the track when they a little older)
As someone who didn't grow up as a JW, there really was no greater joy than Christmas time!!!!!!
It's one thing that I feel sorry for my ex-JW husband - that he will never get the chance to experience that joy - unless perhaps through our own kids when we have them
I can understand where you are coming from thinking it's bs - and of course it is - but like the others say, it's what you make it. Is there really any harm for kids believing in Santa when they are young? And then discovering that Santa isn't real is like a rite of passage - it's kinda sad - cos you like Santa, but then it's kinda like 'I'm a grown up now, I don't believe in Santa' too.
Even for years after I stopped believing in Santa, I still loved the excitement of Christmas. Loved buying (or making) crappy little presents for my friends and family that I'd saved my pocket money for, wrapping them and then sneaking out to the tree really late on Christmas eve so that it was a suprise when my family woke up - I would pretend to be like Santa.
I wish I still believed in Santa -it was so much fun!
Now that I'm an adult, I don't do much for Christmas, I have a crappy little tree but last year I didn't even put it up. In saying that, when we have kids, I will definitely get into the whole swing.
But at the end of the day - your life, your kids, your choice :)
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The happiest people on earth... Yeah right
by Bells ini am looking for some advice - or maybe just some moral support.. i can't find the link to my previous thread... but in a nutshell... husband and i got married a couple months ago after 10 or so years together.
he was never baptised, but grew up 'in'.
i never had any exposure to the craziness til i met him and his family.
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Bells
Hey and thanks everyone
Scary21 With the whole toast thing, the reason I was upset is because I did not know that they wouldn't toast - neither did my husband. We'd actually spoken about it together before hand and he said he didn't think it wouldn't be an issue. We have'cheersed' on many occacasions with them - so this was the first time we'd actually seen them actually sit out of the toast. Their behaviour at the wedding was inconsistent to what we'd previously seen - and this is the reason for the upset. (I wouldn't be upset if they wouldn't throw rice for example - because they never have... But they always toast - so why not for the wedding?)
Anyway I know I have to try and get over it, but it's been a long time of me and my feelings being pushed aside and I am just pretty much over it. Of course I don't want my husband to have to 'choose' between his family and I (!!!) but I don't think I should have to put up with them treating me like crap either.
Is that so unreasonable???
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Overlapping Generations: A wacky kool-aid thread
by RayPublisher inanother wacky kool aid thread for your reading pleasure from the hardcore dubbs on jw talk dot net is here if you want to read it:.
they wax philosophical, they curse this horrible old world, they gently try to project how soon the big a will come, and then swoon when someone quotes a tidbit from a gb member that they overheard.
warning: those with weak stomachs do not read!.
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Bells
omg this is some seriously depressing stuff!!!!
No wonder my MIL seems so depressed all the time!!! Believing that the end is just around the corner - and in the mean time, it's just evil and hatred, greed and wickedness. Then when the end comes, her son will die because he is under the control of Satan.
This is hard core! Why don't Watchtower / Awake run an article about people giving up their lives to volunteer in refugee camps, or working with the deisabled, or working in animal rescue etc. Yes there are some assholes in the world (many JW's too from who I've met) but there are also a lot of caring, loving just downright awesome people in the world too! Why can't they focus on that every now and again!!!! :(
This is so sad.. :(
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The happiest people on earth... Yeah right
by Bells ini am looking for some advice - or maybe just some moral support.. i can't find the link to my previous thread... but in a nutshell... husband and i got married a couple months ago after 10 or so years together.
he was never baptised, but grew up 'in'.
i never had any exposure to the craziness til i met him and his family.
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Bells
Thanks guys, I know you're right, I have to overlook their poor behaviour, I just find it so so difficult to do - especially if my husband doesn't acknowledge how bad the behaviour is! I think that's half the problem...
I agree - the 'in business' together is the bombshell. Of course I never wanted them to be in business together and I wish they didn't have to be - I hate how my brother in law treats my husband - like he is less important and just dumber than himself (I can assure you that this is NOT the case) - however, my husband enjoys the work, so for his sake, I want him to continue...
I have read 'Combatting Mind Control' and I understand that they are under this type of mind control - though it doesn't make it any easier for me to accept them being assholes because of it!!!! Especially when they look down on us - simply because we are independant thinkers! It's infuriating!!!
The thing is, we don't really ever discuss the religion itself, they know that we have our own beliefs not in line with their faith, however it's the subtle comments - and not so subtle actions - such as not toasting us at our wedding when they will toast at the 'end-of-year-but-not-Christmas-party for work.
Hypocritical behaviour is very difficult for me to swallow, always has been. I tend to be a very upfront, honest and forthrights person (which is not always a good thing I know, but it's just who I am)
It's just nice to be able to get this off my chest anyway. I hope to see some changes soon, I know my husband is trying, otherwise, yes, we are in for a very very difficult marriage - and one that will not survive in the end... So I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed...