Posts by knowsnothing1

84

Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

knowsnothing1

Hi deegee, sorry I didn't see your response.

I think you are going a bit off track here, your going into the problem of natural evil, the Epicurean trilemma.

The first question shouldn't be why evil exists, but rather is God real? Then we deal with the problem of evil.

The other question about why he chooses to act in certain situations and not others is also another dilemma, but I don't feel has merit in this discussion.

The question is, was my and your experiences real? Did we misinterpret something that we saw? Are we or were we crazy? Were these experiences only in our mind, or were there external players?

I take it you don't believe in God, you believe these experiences were in our minds only, and that believing in this stuff is rubbish and even harmful at times, and that we should stick to a strictly material view of the world. I don't want to box you into a belief system, I'm trying to understand what you believe and where you are coming from so we can further develop this conversation.

6

Good standing

by Jrjw in

hi does anyone know why you're classed as not in good standing if youve separated when you aren't breaking a commandment by being separated.

1 cor 7:11 - but if she does separate, let her remain unmarried or else be reconciled with her husband; and a husband should not leave his wife..

knowsnothing1

The organization has extra biblical rules it piles on to its adherents.

For example, where in the Bible does it say you have to have a certain number of hours in field service to qualify as a ministerial servant? There are many more examples.

29

What if the crucifixion never took place..

by Jayk in

i googled it and pretty much my understanding is the same as what i imagine.

no one really knows, your guess is as good as the next.

interesting thought to consider imo..

knowsnothing1

venus,

The OT is full of prophesies of Jesus, and that he would have to suffer that fate. The whole OT is a "shadow of the things to come". Each year, animals were sacrificed for atonement of sin. Jesus was the only sacrifice able to pay for the sins of all.

John 1:29

29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

If you believe in the resurrection, the only way it's possible is because of Jesus' death and resurrection.

1 Cor 15:12-20

12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

29

What if the crucifixion never took place..

by Jayk in

i googled it and pretty much my understanding is the same as what i imagine.

no one really knows, your guess is as good as the next.

interesting thought to consider imo..

knowsnothing1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

No scholar worth their salt denies a man called Jesus was crucified over 2000 years ago under Pontius Pilate. You can disagree that he was a Divine being, you can disagree that he performed miracles, but you cannot deny that he was crucified.

10

Christian "NO GO" zones in US

by Coded Logic in

i can't believe this is taking place in our country!

all across america there are areas where people are trying to enforce christian law!

outsiders are strictly forbidden from entering and they have private security and guards to keep people out.

knowsnothing1

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_bMgkJya5DQ

56

Is this life all there is?

by Fisherman in

jw
friends

what do you sincerely think?

do you nurture any hope?.

knowsnothing1

notsurewheretogo,

Nobody can convince anyone. I didn't believe because someone told me, I believe because I saw. You can't make an appeal to majority for truth, you know many hold erroneous beliefs.

Again, how do YOU arrive at truth? At some point you are trusting your senses, fallible as they may be.

56

Is this life all there is?

by Fisherman in

jw
friends

what do you sincerely think?

do you nurture any hope?.

knowsnothing1

notsurewheretogo

How can you tell whatever experience you had was in fact "real"? Might it be "real" in your mind only?

How can you trust any of your senses, let alone prove your existence? There are many assumptions we take for granted in order for us to arrive to certain conclusions and beliefs.

If my experience with the shaman doing the egg cleaning, "limpia" in Spanish, was all in my head, then yes I belong in a mental institution. However, what I saw and heard was with my own eyes. I trust it wasn't a dream, and I trust it wasn't just me being crazy. I also trust the black ink that came out was no sleight of hand, same as the bubble over the yolk that looked like an eye. Those were eggs I BOUGHT at the store.

56

Is this life all there is?

by Fisherman in

jw
friends

what do you sincerely think?

do you nurture any hope?.

knowsnothing1

nicolau

Interesting that you don't disclose what these "things" are.

I did, I will be happy to talk about my experiences, but you can read about some of mines and those of others here.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6318622471356416/spirit-channeling-wallkills-bethel?page=2

56

Is this life all there is?

by Fisherman in

jw
friends

what do you sincerely think?

do you nurture any hope?.

knowsnothing1

I used to be an atheist. I've seen things that made me change my mind.

I believe Christ is risen. He will grant eternal life to all who believe in him.

84

Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel

by Marie33 in

look what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.

now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.

knowsnothing1

Ok deegee, what do you mean by being a Christian after you left the WT?

I understand and feel your frustration. My line of reasoning after leaving the WT was the opposite. I became an atheist and a skeptic. I believed that materialism is all there is, that consciousness is a product of very complex chemical reactions and the summation of physical processes. I came to believe that anyone that had experienced any type of supernatural event was either crazy, misguided (they interpreted the event as supernatural when there was a perfectly natural explanation for it) or something else along those lines.

I figured that since this stuff never happened when put through to the rigorous scientific method or never happened under controlled lab conditions, that all accounts must therefore be false. I even wrote off an encounter I had as something I had experienced merely as an emotional reaction.

Regardless of our beliefs, I've come to the conclusion that there is more to reality than the physical. Based on what I've seen, heard, and felt, I can no longer suscribe to a strictly material universe.