Why did the last two lines come out in Greek?
It was supposed to say Copyright Michael Abbot and Sarah Weeks, Disney Enterprises 1997.
And then I think I asked for any comments?
Nowfree
just watching the simpsons where homer gets his thumb cut off.
there is a scene where ned is reading a story to one of his kids:.
"so, harry and his friends go straight to hell for practising witchcraft".
Why did the last two lines come out in Greek?
It was supposed to say Copyright Michael Abbot and Sarah Weeks, Disney Enterprises 1997.
And then I think I asked for any comments?
Nowfree
just watching the simpsons where homer gets his thumb cut off.
there is a scene where ned is reading a story to one of his kids:.
"so, harry and his friends go straight to hell for practising witchcraft".
There is a Ned Flanders down the road from me! The whole family are "perfect JWS", so blinkered I am amazed they can see!
I can set my watch by them - Every Tuesday and Thursday evening they are out the door on the button, all dressed in their suits, and mum in a JW dress (not short, not low cut, not tight, not anything really!!).
Field service on Saturdays and meetings on Sunday. (They are actually due back any minute) - Yep there they are!!! I can see them from where I am typing. My God this is scarey!
Who needs Greenwich Mean Time when you have the Flanders!!!
Seriously - does anyone KNOW whether the Flanders family were based on any particular religion?
A bit like the "Rabbit Song" from Winnie the Pooh's Most Grand Adventure (Walt Disney 1997). It describes JWs perfectly - let me illustrate:
Introduction
Winnie the Pooh, Piglet, Eeyore, Tigger and Rabbit go to their good friend Owl, to ask his advice on how to find Christopher Robin.
Owl replies that "they need a map". So he goes to his shelf, finds a blank roll of parchment and proceeds to produce a map.
The contents of the map are decided on the fears of each individual ie, Jugulars, Hefalumps and Woozels etc. The more frightening the object, the more it appears on the map.
The map is constructed exploiting the greatest fears of the group.
The group set off on their adventure to find Christopher Robin. Rabbit now believes in the infallibility of this map. Winnie the Pooh can see the way, however Rabbit is determined to follow the map at all costs, and at which point bursts into song
RABBITS SONG
Excuse me, the way to there is over here..
Now which are you going to believe,
This official map, or your own eyes?
Look for yourself and youll see we are right on course.
It is all right there in black and white.
Why would anyone want to wander around, wondering which way to go when they have a map to follow?
A map is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling or a foolish intuition.
A map is a dependable, unwavering, inarguably accurate portrayer of your position.
Never trust your ears, your nose, your eyes,
Putting faith in them is most unwise.
Heres a phrase you all must memorise,
In the printed word is where truth lies.
Never trust your tummies, tails or toes,
You cant learn a thing from any of those.
Heres another fact I must disclose,
From the mighty pen, true wisdom flows.
(Chorus)
If it says so, then it is so,
If it is so, well so it is.
A thoughts not fit to think, till its printed in ink.
Then it says so, so it is.
Never trust that thing between your ears,
Brains will get you nowhere fast my dear.
Havent had a need for mine in years,
On the page is where the truth appears.
(Chorus)
If it says so, then it is so,
If it is so, well so it is.
A thoughts not fit to think, till its printed in ink.
Never differ from or doubt it,
Or go anywhere without it.
So we dont need to fret about it.
If it says so, so it is.
Michael Abbot & Sarah Weeks, Disney Enterprises Inc, 1997
Does anyone else think that describes JW brainwashing? or is it just me?
Nowfree
dr. phil gave this test on oprah.
some folks pay a lot of money to find this stuff out.
don't be overly sensitive!
I am 41.
Come on - what does this mean!!!!!!
well, i just got back from yet another summer ass-marathon.
seventeen hours of sitting in hockey arena seats that were made for three hour games, trying to stay awake, while not losing contact with my extremities.. needless to say, the program was dull and boring.
in fact, i'm not completely sure that they didnt just re-run last year's.
Our local venue over the last few years for the district convention was in an indoor entertainment centre, which of course provided its own food (and cost a fortunue!).
So if you had picnics, you had to either eat them in the UNDERGROUND multistorey car park, or on the beach - which is fine if it isn't raining. And this is England. It always rains!
I remember ONE DAY, it wasn't raining and the book study conductor/elder was saying that it was Jehovah's blessing on the arrangement because it allowed his people to eat lunch on the beach.
In which case what the HELL did we do to upset Jehovah the other two days when it rained and we had to eat in semi-darkness in a cold car park, and trying to feed/change a 12 month old baby?
The same elder looked at me with disbelief when i told him categorically that I hate assemblies, they are a waste of time. You would think he would have got the hint that maybe I wasn't quite so enamoured of the WT society arrangements as I should have been??
What morons!
Nowfree
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there's just too much risk...especially if your life is in the hands of these officials:.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/story_34571.asp.
Hawkaw,
I wasn't intend to criticise the transfusion safety record in USA, just trying to make the point that Violet is making her choice bearing in mind that she would be accepting blood in USA. I am making mine, knowing I would receive blood in the UK.
Different countries have different screening methods - not saying any of them are necessarily better or worse than others.
Nowfree
well, i just got back from yet another summer ass-marathon.
seventeen hours of sitting in hockey arena seats that were made for three hour games, trying to stay awake, while not losing contact with my extremities.. needless to say, the program was dull and boring.
in fact, i'm not completely sure that they didnt just re-run last year's.
This will be my second convention free year!!! Lets party!!!!!
But it sounds as though NOTHING has changed!
I always wondered about the symposiums as well - what is the point? Why not just have them as separate talks - you are right, it doesn't make them any more exciting or any less dull!
One thing I used to hate was having to wear decent summer clothes in a football or rugby ground that was designed for spectators wearing jeans, jumpers and heavy coats. Every time you put your Bible or songbook down on the floor, you pick it up again and it was covered in dirt. Very apt really! Did they KNOW they were destined for the local rubbish dump?
Nowfree
yesterday, before we went to dinner at mak and sabine's, a friend called me from the kh to warn me they had mom on the phone link for the meeting (their meeting is at 4pm).
i went downstairs to see what she was up to, since i had taken the phones out, to stop her from calling everyone in town to complain about the 'abuse she was suffering' at the hands of her daughter (me).
she was standing over the speaker phone (i had taken the hand set off), and she was furiously pushing buttons, and sobbing.
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((Hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Mulan
I know i keep bashing on about UK Mental Health Act 1983, but there MUST be an equivalent in the USA that you should be able to access and use.
It is very routine for a social worker and two psychiatrists to assess a person in their own home and determine that they are suffering from a mental illness of a nature or degree that requires treatment in a hospital.
If the person in the community is refusing to go into hospital, whether they have the capacity to make the decision or not, provided they are suffering from a mental illness, then they are taken against their will into hospital, and treated against their will.
The other option is for the Nearest Relative (strict legal order would be: husband/wife; son/daughter(over 16 years); mother/father; brother/sister etc etc). The Nearest Relative has the power to make an application for a mental health act assessment - this is used where you cannot get hold of a social worker. What usually happens is that the hospital will contact an emergency duty social worker to take the responsibility from you - that way on the paperwork it is not YOU that is putting your mother in hospital, but the mental health professionals.
During this process your mother will probably deny that she has an illness and make out that you are the worst person on the planet. PLEASE do not take any notice of this - it usually happens. But once the person is stabilised on the correct medication, then their balance of mind will often improve to a point where your relationship with your mother could continue on a more even keel. Maybe once your mother is ready to be discharged back into the community, she could be discharged to a warden accommodation, or residential home - the mental health care team will have all the information you need.
Please ask the mental health professionals for help. They KNOW what can be done and the options available to you in your country. I can only give you guidance based on UK law.
Hugs again to you and your family.
Nowfree
Does that mean that the Venus flytrap is going to have to make do with nut cutlets?
Has anyone told it yet?
Or is it a plant that is under Satan's control and so because it has not been baptised will be destroyed at Armageddon?
Has anyone attempted to witness to it?
Its been a long day and i think I have finally, totally lost the plot!!!!!!
Nowfree
one example of this trend that i came across is found in acts 15:14 which according to the nwt reads:.
"symeon has related thoroughly how god for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name.".
we can also add v.17 which states: "in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek jehovah, together with people from all the nations, people who are called by my name, says jehovah, wh is doing these things,".
I had this same sort of conversation in the supermarket the other day with a particularly brave JW who i have known for about 20 years. I mean brave in the sense that they had the guts to actually stand and talk to me in public (and give me a hug as well!!)
The JW argument went that they are Gods people because of the scripture where it says that "You are my witnesses", and also that they use God's name, so they must be Gods people.
Fine I said - I could change my name by deed poll to Jesus Christ, and then refer to the fact that I am mentioned in the Bible, so I am therefore God's son (well daughter but then I wasn't going to start getting pedantic!).
Anyone can call their organisation/business/religion anything they like - it doesn't mean a thing, it doesn't prove anything.
I think the JW got the point - they are of the periphery JW class, not the kissing the Circuit Overseers butt class!
Anyway, I got another hug, everyone was happy - and we went off to continue our shopping.
Which is how it should be - agree to disagree - but don't let it spoil friendships!
Nowfree
i have done a little research and reading over the years on the holocaust and what the jewish people went through when they were judged as unworthy as humans and so many innocents were exterminated in hitler's "final solution".
i recently read this quote from a book about women in auschwitz and i couldn't help but see so many similarities between the way the jews were treated and how the witnesses treat those they feel are "rebellious" or causing division or whatever other accusations they can drum up against those they want to be rid of.
i believe any of us who have been shunned by friends and families can relate to how eerily (spelling?
Hadenuf,
All the while you are in the org and doing everything that you should be doing, "brothers and sisters" will be all over you like a rash.
Since I left, i can count on one hand all the JWs that have taken the initiative to speak to me. Like you I am not DA or DF, but I might as well be. Most of them ACTIVELY shun me, like my mother in law, JW neighbours a few doors down the road, JWs at work. You would think i had the plague.
I have had one shepherding visit (Oct 01), which didn't actually help one bit, although it confirmed to me why I had stopped attending meetings.
The majority of witnesses will also shun my parents.
Yet one person i grew up with (was DF 5 years ago), is still a very close friend to me and I can rely on them as a true friend. So we are all being shunned together!! We see it like a kind of game now. See how awkward we can make it for them!
The way i look at it is that we know from experience, the panic a JW feels when they come across an exJW, and the dilemma of "am I allowed to talk to them?". So we are at an advantage, they haven't got a clue what it is like to be on our side of the Kingdom Hall door!
As i said before - their loss
Nowfree