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  Russels view of disfellowshiping

  by Nowhere in

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  "since the autumn of 1878, there has been a very clearly marked difference of opinion on the subjects of atonement, resurrection and restitution.

  while we have not felt disposed to disfellowship anyone on account of a difference of opinion on these things, or for any other opinion as long as we are satisfied of the christian integrity of brethren, there has been difference enough to prevent the same hearty co-operation as formerly, especially as there has been manifested a disposition to urge these disputed points as test questions.

  paul and barnabas separated in their work for a reason not half so important, but christ was not divided, and we do not read of either one calling each other hard names or disfellowshipping each other as christians.

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  "Since the Autumn of 1878, there has been a very clearly marked difference of opinion on the subjects of Atonement, Resurrection and Restitution. While we have not felt disposed to disfellowship anyone on account of a difference of opinion on these things, or for any other opinion as long as we are satisfied of the christian integrity of brethren, there has been difference enough to prevent the same hearty co-operation as formerly, especially as there has been manifested a disposition to urge these disputed points as test questions. Paul and Barnabas separated in their work for a reason not half so important, but Christ was not divided, and we do not read of either one calling each other hard names or disfellowshipping each other as Christians."
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  Please convince me I'm wrong!

  by StinkyPantz in

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  since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

  i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

  while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

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  StinkyPantz wrote:

  So if the universe had a beginning, did God? And if so, did he just appear one day, did he evolve, or did our creator have a creator? Doesn't an almighty God defy the laws of chance?

  No, God whoever or whatever he/that is, did not have a beginning if he/that exists. Else there can not be a "God". If God didn't existed, the universe evolved by mere chance. God may have changed his apperance though after the universe was created, he was maybe not even "alive" before the universe was formulated, but if he had a creator, he is no longer God, that "creator" would instead be God, hence the reasoning here would apply to him.

  Does an almighty God defy the laws of chance? Well, if He defined those laws, there is no such thing as chance in the universe. Everything happens as planned by that almighty God. But if there is no God who made those rules, we can say that things happens by chance.

  We are back at square one. If you want to believe in a God, do that. But you will never live to see if there really really really exists a God.
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  Question on the NWT translation

  by Nowhere in

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  2. bible

  one intresting thing is that both the kingdom interlinear and the nwt is based on the greek text of westcott & hort.

  that is a good text, and was the text for about two generations.

  but today no one except the watchtower society bases their translation on that text.

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  One intresting thing is that both the kingdom interlinear and the NWT is based on the greek text of Westcott & Hort. That is a good text, and was the text for about two generations. But today no one except the watchtower society bases their translation on that text. All major bible translations (I think) made after world war 2 are instead based on the greek text by Nestle-Aland or the text provided by UBS.

  So the question is: How come that JW's claim to have the best tranlation available today, and it isn't even based on the greek text that is recognised as the best and most accurate greek text today? And more, is there anything in those newer texts that the watchtower doesn't want to admit?

  (KJV is based on another text, the oldest one, the textus receptus, which some scholars still holds for as the best text available, but when comparing the text critical versions; W&H with Nestle-Aland or UBS greek text, the W&H greek text is outdated today. Period.)
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  Stupid Rules - LIST!!!! ( CONTEST )

  by breeze in

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  stupid rules list....

  i will start.... number 1) two people have to witness a sin before it is reported to the superior authorities....making me the org the last word in all areas.. the most stupid rule gets to post it once the gb has judged it the most stupid?

  maybe simon will be one of the judges..... breeze

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  Always trust in the FDS, even if you know they are wrong.
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  Please convince me I'm wrong!

  by StinkyPantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since i have stopped attending the meetings, i have had a loss of faith in god.

  i consider myself an agnostic teetering on being a full blown atheist.

  while in school this last semester i have been taking courses that emphasize evolution.

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  StinkyPantz wrote:

  So, I wonder is there anyone out that that can: 1) intelligently and preferably scientifically refute that the Earth has been around for millions of years and that humans have evolved over millions of years and 2) prove with only a reasonable doubt that there is a God.

  Answer no.1: The earth has been around for millions of years. Thats a fact. You can always say that the earth is young, but only if you pretend that science don't exist. First of all, we already have a very good explanation of the universe. And that models starts just after big bang. We know how the sun works, how long it must have been out there to behave the way it does, we know how the sun was born and we know by measuring the velocities and placement of galaxies to know at least that the universe is older than we can imagine. Billions of years old. And of course we also have the various metods of radiactive dating to measure ages here on earth.

  I know the witnesses and many other religious groups try to discredit science and physics, by misqoutings and by relying on obscure "scientists" (often members of other religious groups) that has thier own ideas of how things work, for thier sources. But not one respected scientist would give support to thier ideas. Period.

  But were does that put God? Personally I believe in God. I think that someone or something must have started all this. Something made up the rules that we now obey, whether if we like it or not.

  Answer no.2: x + y = a, therefor God exists! We can never prove that God exists, and we can never prove that he doesn't exist. But the number of lucky "coincidenses" required to produce an environment in which life as we know it is possible, seems to defy the laws of chance (and I'm not talking about evolution, evolution seems very possible compared to the chance of a universe as we know it). There can only be two explanations, either God made the rules for the universe or there are an infinite number of different universes. I prefer the first explanation. Most scientists prefer the latter.

  And does it really matter if God personally created us or if he made the rules in a way that would lead to human life on planet earth through evolution? I don't think so.
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  Why are you looking forward to 2005?

  by Nowhere in

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  anyone heard anyting of 2005?

  i've spoken to some witnesses here, who are really worried about 2005. they say it was pretty obvious at the last convention, that the world may end in 2005. because of 1975 and the fact that jesus was 30 years old, the last time he preached on earth... .

  what have i missed?

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  wow, you must be a genius plmkrzy...

  My personal thougt is that armageddon will never happen, because if there is a God, he doesn't care about his creation.
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  Why are you looking forward to 2005?

  by Nowhere in

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  anyone heard anyting of 2005?

  i've spoken to some witnesses here, who are really worried about 2005. they say it was pretty obvious at the last convention, that the world may end in 2005. because of 1975 and the fact that jesus was 30 years old, the last time he preached on earth... .

  what have i missed?

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  Anyone heard anyting of 2005? I've spoken to some witnesses here, who are really worried about 2005. They say it was pretty obvious at the last convention, that the world may end in 2005. Because of 1975 and the fact that Jesus was 30 years old, the last time he preached on earth...

  What have I missed?
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  Greatest Soccer Photo of All Time

  by SYN in

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  this has to be one of the funniest soccer photos i've ever seen.

  now, don't get me wrong, i love soccer, especially when arsenal are on a roll and showing manchester a few new cat-skinning techniques, but this!

  lol!.

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  No Reply From Bowen

  by BB in

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  2. child-abuse

  the silentlambs link below no longer works (at least its not working for me).

  is anyone else having trouble accessing the site?.

  also, ive been considering attending the march on the 27th but have had no reply from bowen (or anyone else) in regards to the several emails ive sent.

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  and Matty, your name is Matty right?............
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  Where did Silentlambs.org go?????

  by BadJerry in

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  tried to get to http://www.silentlambs.org/ but come up with some enzim.net page.

  badjerry

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  LoveDubs, have you cleared your cache first? Does it still work?