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  the FULL EPISODE 'The Witnesses,' from 🇺🇸 US Oxygen

  by NRKoppe in

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  2. child-abuse

  the full episode 'the witnesses,' from 🇺🇸 us oxygen(viewable from 🧶 outside of the us!

  )https://www.facebook.com/jws4justice/videos/543483709706749/

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  Dubfounded_12

  Thank you for posting this. Every JW should watch it!
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  Things we should not have said,

  by Phizzy in

  1. social
  2. humour

  do any of you remember things you should never have said to a fellow j.w ?.

  two of mine come to mind, one was when we were out in field circus one day and my companion was complaining of knee pain, he explained, " it has a crack in it ", i replied " that explains why my bum hurts, that's got a crack in it", the other one was when a guy showed me a chef's knife he had bought for chopping, and i said " i always wanted a big chopper ".. you ?.

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  Dubfounded_12

  I called a brother doing the announcements a gobshite, thought it was under my breath but my PO grandad heard and cracked up!
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  Is it possible to nullify a baptism?

  by idk123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hope you are all well,.

  i was wondering within the organisation if there are any guidelines or grounds for nullifying a baptism.

  see i grew up a jehovah's witness and was baptised at age 13, i didn't get baptised for the right reasons, i felt pressured to because my friends were getting baptised at the same time.

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  Dubfounded_12

  In short No.

  this is from the shepherd book.

  VALIDITY OF WRONGDOER’S BAPTISM

  60. When dealing with a wrongdoer, the elders should not raise ques- tions about the validity of the individual’s baptism. If the individ- ual raises the issue, the elders may refer him to the February 15, 2010, Watchtower, page 22.

  61. At times a wrongdoer will claim that his baptism is not valid and that he feels he is not accountable to a judicial committee be- cause he secretly engaged in wrongdoing shortly before he was baptized. If the elders had been aware of his serious wrongdo- ing committed just before baptism, likely they would not have ap- proved him for baptism. However, this does not necessarily mean that he did not make a valid dedication. Some individuals make a dedication long before their baptism; others have made a ded- ication shortly before. The elders are not in a position to read the heart and know for a certainty how Jehovah viewed the person at the time he was baptized. If the elders learn that a baptized individual secretly engaged in serious wrongdoing while he was an unbaptized publisher but the wrongdoing ceased before baptism, they should give counsel and encouragement. A judicial commit- tee should not be formed for prebaptism wrongdoing. (1 Cor. 6: 9-11) However, if the individual resumed serious wrongdoing af- ter baptism, the elders would generally deal with him on the ba- sis of what he has professed to be, a dedicated and baptized Christian, and would meet with him judicially.

  62. There are rare occasions when it is obvious that the baptism was invalid because serious wrongdoing did not cease before bap- tism, even for a brief period of time. For example, it may be that at the time of baptism, the individual was living immorally with a member of the opposite sex or the same sex, was a member of a nonneutral organization, or something similar. If there are ques- tions, the Service Department should be consulted.
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  Lack of zeal

  by road to nowhere in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hear rumbling about the rank and file not having the same zeal they had when new.. lets see: door to door at the time least likely to find someone.

  waste of a whole morning.

  isolated.

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  Dubfounded_12

  Lack of Zeal has been an issue for years. I remember I used to put it down to Apathy on the part of the householder. What a dumbass!
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  Is this true:

  by crmsicl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.moshoodkarim.com/2019/07/jehovahs-witnesses-changes-doctrinal.html.

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  Ha ha ha it’s all wishful thinking.

  It would be great if true. Also the date is the end of July, we would have definitely heard something official about this by now.
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  Whatever is bound on EARTH is already Loosed in Heaven

  by Alex Williams in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when a person is guilty and worthy of punishment, the judgment ‘will already have been bound in heaven jesus said and if they are loosed or innocent it will already have been “loosed in heaven..in such judicial deliberations, jesus says, “where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there i am in their midst.” .

  psalm 127:3.. children are a sacred trust, “an inheritance from jehovah.

  jws abhor child abuse and view it as a crime.its recognized that the authorities are responsible for addressing such crimes.jws do not shield any perpetrator of child abuse from the authorities as has been alleged.

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  Mr Theocracy

  at the the time we didn’t have a hall. We were meeting in hotels and community centres.

  Also we were very rural. I know what the “guidelines” say. However, the BOE said that they felt these “brothers” were repentant and did not pose a risk. I’m not making this up, it’s my experience of the org. And as for only working with elders, these guys were smart and used to be the only brothers in some midweek groups.

  You have to admit that this happens in the org and that it is impossible to monitor these ones activity 100 percent

  I even maintain that they should be escorted to the toilet in the hall as opportunists they will take any chance they have to get to young ones

  Although it’s fair to say that it is policy that parents are warned of individuals now. Trust me that was never the case, but it does now put the onus on the parents, and seems to be a future excuse if the children do abused in the org saying “well you were warned”
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  Money! How much did you "Contribute" To The WTB@TS When You Were A Member

  by The Bethelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was in full time service for six years including bethel.

  once i got out of bethel, i figured i had already given them six of the best years of my life (ages 18-24) working as a slave/drone in their factory, so i rationalized that i had given them enough... so over the next 27 years i would say maybe $200 bucks is it.

  i think their whole "voluntary contributions" idea is biting them in the ass, because over all jehovah's witnesses are a cheap group people with a few exceptions.

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  I refused to give anything. Jesus said come drink life’s water free.

  Although, if was dropping a hefty amount each month, I don’t think I’d be disfellowshipped now 😆
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  Whatever is bound on EARTH is already Loosed in Heaven

  by Alex Williams in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when a person is guilty and worthy of punishment, the judgment ‘will already have been bound in heaven jesus said and if they are loosed or innocent it will already have been “loosed in heaven..in such judicial deliberations, jesus says, “where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there i am in their midst.” .

  psalm 127:3.. children are a sacred trust, “an inheritance from jehovah.

  jws abhor child abuse and view it as a crime.its recognized that the authorities are responsible for addressing such crimes.jws do not shield any perpetrator of child abuse from the authorities as has been alleged.

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  Alex I believe you are naive. JW certainly do protect abusers in the congregation. My experience is that they value them as men and give not two shites about the victim. It’s all about protecting the reputation of the org.

  I refused to have a field service arrangement in my house as the BOE wanted to put a known abuser (in the community) in my group. I was protecting my children, but got told I was not being hospitable and wouldn’t qualify for my position of MS in the congregation.

  the organisation sickens me to my core as I think of the amount of abusers that I have had experience with and they are now free to prey on innocent trusting children.

  I was a thorn in the side of that BOE, when I moved out the congregation they refused to give me a recommendation because of this.

  plus any advice to help the abused is pitiful. These children need professional counselling. Not an understanding sister or more men to shepherd them.

  Children are indeed a precious gift, and I only wish I knew how to help those abused. My own children I have told to get out of the org while they can.
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  CHILD MOLESTATION: How have they been able to hide it for so long?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was in the organization until 2011. .

  i n-e-v-e-r heard of this problem.

  not even a whisper.

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  Dubfounded_12

  It’s because they feel they are directed by a higher power. So it’s easy for them to say “Jehovah will see to it, and it may not happen until Armageddon” as far as that statement is concerned it’s a conscience salver.
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  CHILD MOLESTATION: How have they been able to hide it for so long?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i was in the organization until 2011. .

  i n-e-v-e-r heard of this problem.

  not even a whisper.

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  Dubfounded_12

  It’s simple really. I have had experience in more than congregation of abuse.

  One affected my sibling. I remember when I found out I wanted to do him a serious injury, but was told “if you do anything you are playing into Satan’s hands, and the reproach on Jehovah’s Name would taint the local witnesses for years” so I duly obeyed and did nothing. The matter was reported to the police but charges were not pressed, as it was sin to take another brother to court etc. He got away with it, and I have suspicions that he also abused others in the local congregation.

  so by playing on fear and trusting in Jehovah, elders, branches and ultimately the GB are able to keep a lid on things!