the biggest most pointless meeting at the moment is the Service Meeting.
BroMac
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When will they merge the BS, TMS, WTS, T into one meeting ?
by mP init seems to me with all the times being cut from talks, you could save further time and simply smash all the meetings into one on the weekend.
this would also save the need for those extra kingdom hall songs, and one trip to the kh.
with all these savings, jws could easily double their ministry..
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Donating blood
by SweetBabyCheezits inour daughter's school is having a blood drive today and me and mrs. babycheezits thought about signing up.
it's been on my bucket list i just haven't done it yet.. .
just curious if many members of jwn have donated?.
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randy
hats off to you.
that mobile van is a Huge statement. what has been the response/feedback?
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chalam
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Quid Est Veritas
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is jws really growing or only natural increases from kids.?
by mP infirstly yes we all know most jw bornins leave but a quarter give or take continue.
im going to argue that this is the only source of any increase.
those that leave are barely replaced if at all by new recruits in third world countries.
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BroMac
i don't know much about growth rates, only what i can see.
for the last 4-5yrs at the CA both special day & 2day the majority is always younger born ins. and the occasional old woman helped into the pool who is dipped in full sunday dress.
i was at a special day, i think it was 3yrs ago now where there was only 1 baptism candidate, a born in.
i mentioned this to a friend in the next district to ours and they had 0 baptised.
when i was baptised in the 90's there were around 30 being dipped, a mix of born ins and adults brought in from D2D
i remember how it used to take such a long time to get everyone through. 2 at a time.
Now they still have 2 brothers in the pool doing the baptising but only send out 1 at a time to get dipped.
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Irish JW Who's Husband Was Cheating Suffers DF'd & Shunning
by BroMac inhttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0306/1224312851835.html.
claim by jehovah's witness dismissed - the irish times - tue, mar 06, 2012.
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Jehovah's slander action over husband thrown out
A JUDGE has thrown out a Jehovah's Witness slander action over allegations she implied her husband was an adulterer.
Ruth Moram says she was shunned by members -- or "disfellowshipped" -- for allegedly slandering her husband by implying he was an adulterer.
But she failed in a bid to bring her own High Court action for slander. Ms Moram, of Mastergeeha, Kilcummin, Killarney, Co Kerry, sought damages against three members of the Killarney Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.
She claimed she had been slandered in a letter written by one of them to her in December 2009, which accused her of slandering her husband by the adultery allegation. Her husband denied the accusation, the court heard.
Mr Justice John Hedigan yesterday ruled she had shown no cause of action in her claims against Killarney Witness elders Peter Van Benthem, Parkavonear, Aghadoe, Killarney, and Andrew Beeston, Coolmagort, Beaufort, both Kerry. He also dismissed a similar claim against Witness member Martyn Bell, of Firies, Kerry, who wrote the 2009 letter.
The judge also awarded legal costs against Ms Moram who said she would go to jail rather than pay them. She said she would also appeal the decision to the Court of Human Rights.
In his judgment, Mr Justice Hedigan said the case dated back to June 2004 when Ms Moram claimed Mr Van Benthem and Mr Beeston accused her of slander.
Later that month at a meeting of the Killarney Witnesses congregation, Mr Bell gave evidence of the alleged slander of her husband, and as a result Ms Moram was "disfellowshipped".
The court heard that she appealed that decision internally in August 2004 -- and evidence was given in the appeal that Ms Moram had told a fellow Witness that a woman, referred to only by initials, had spent weekends away with her husband.
Ms Moram claimed that as a result of this, she was accused of slander in that she implied her husband was an adulterer.
Following these hearings, she was disfellowshipped from the Killarney Congregation.
Complaint
She then wrote a letter of complaint to the Witnesses branch office in Wicklow and it included photographs of her husband on a weekend break in Galway with the other woman, the judge said.
The branch sent a letter to the appeal committee, which changed its decision and told Ms Moram they "forgave" her.
She refused to accept this, as she insisted she had not slandered anyone and the accusation had not been withdrawn, the judge said.
The court heard that in December 2009, she claimed that Mr Bell wrote a letter which stated she had slandered her husband.
The following February, she formally left the Witnesses after elders of the Killarney congregation refused to allow her to speak at a meeting, he said.
Since then, she claimed, all her Witness friends had been forbidden from speaking to her and that she had been brought into public hatred, contempt and ridicule.
She then issued proceedings in the Circuit Court seeking damages and a declaration she did not commit slander.
A Circuit Court judge found the issues raised were beyond the limits of a secular court.
The judge also said the letter was not published to anyone other than Ms Moram.
She appealed that decision to the High Court. But yesterday, Mr Justice Hedigan dismissed her case saying the events of 2004 were clearly statute-barred because her proceedings must be issued within three years of the event and she had only done so in 2011.
- Tim Healy
Irish Independent
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Irish JW Who's Husband Was Cheating Suffers DF'd & Shunning
by BroMac inhttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0306/1224312851835.html.
claim by jehovah's witness dismissed - the irish times - tue, mar 06, 2012.
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thats better thanks,
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Irish JW Who's Husband Was Cheating Suffers DF'd & Shunning
by BroMac inhttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0306/1224312851835.html.
claim by jehovah's witness dismissed - the irish times - tue, mar 06, 2012.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0306/1224312851835.html
Claim by Jehovah's Witness dismissed - The Irish Times - Tue, Mar 06, 2012
Wednesday, March 7, 2012
</form></form> The Irish Times - Tuesday, March 6, 2012Claim by Jehovah's Witness dismissed
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A JEHOVAH’S Witness who claimed she was shunned by other members of her congregation is not entitled to bring an action for slander, the High Court ruled yesterday.
Ruth Moram, Killarney, Co Kerry, claimed she was “disfellowshipped” from the Killarney congregation after she was accused of slandering her husband by implying he was an adulterer. Her husband denied the accusation, the court heard. Ms Moram had brought proceedings against three members of the congregation, claiming she in turn was slandered in a letter written by one of them to her in December 2009.
Mr Justice John Hedigan yesterday ruled Ms Moram had shown no cause of action in her claims against Killarney Jehovah’s Witness elders Peter Van Benthem, and Andrew Beeston, or against Jehovah’s Witness Martyn Bell, Firies, who wrote the letter in 2009. The judge also awarded costs against Ms Moram who said she would go to jail rather than pay them and would also appeal the decision to the European Court of Human Rights.
Mr Justice Hedigan said the case dated back to June 2004 when Ms Moram claimed Mr Van Benthem and Mr Beeston called to her home and accused her of slander without, she claimed, telling her at that stage what the alleged slander was. Later that month, at a meeting of the Killarney congregation, Mr Bell gave evidence of the alleged slander of her husband and as a result Ms Moram was “disfellowshipped”, she said. This meant fellow members were not to associate with her until she repented.
She appealed that decision internally in August 2004 during which evidence was given that Ms Moram had told a fellow Jehovah’s Witness that a woman, referred to only by initials, had spent weekends away with Ms Moram’s husband, Mr Justice Hedigan said.
Ms Moram claimed, as a result of that, she was accused of slander in that she implied her husband was an adulterer, the judge said. In a separate meeting, her husband denied the allegation, the judge added.
Following these hearings, Ms Moram was disfellowshipped. She then wrote a letter of complaint to the branch office in Wicklow and included photographs of her husband on a weekend break in Galway with the other woman, the judge said.
The branch sent a letter to the appeal committee which changed its decision and told Ms Moram the committee “forgave” her. She refused to accept this on grounds she had not slandered anyone but the accusation had not been withdrawn, the judge said. In February 2010, she formally left the Jehovah’s Witnesses after elders refused to allow her to speak at a meeting, he said. Since then, she claimed, all her Jehovah’s Witness friends had been forbidden to speak to her and she had been brought into public hatred, contempt and ridicule.
Mr Justice Hedigan said yesterday the proceedings would have had to be issued within three years of the 2004 events but were only issued in 2011. As there was no publication of the letter and no special damage was claimed, Ms Moram had shown no cause of action against the three and her claim must be dismissed.
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The 2012 JW Survey is now online!
by cedars ini'm delighted to announce that the 2012 annual survey has now been launched and is ready to receive your votes!!.
please visit www.jwsurvey.org and give us your votes at the earliest opportunity.
this latest survey is obviously available to all those who voted in last year's survey, as well as to those who have never voted before.. so, what's different?.
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Just done the survey
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When Someone You Love Is Removed As An Elder!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inlast week we lost a wonderful elder (removed, stepped down is what i will believe) , this man was as real, as you can get.
he loved the sheep,.
his eternal optimism of humanity is a rare quality in the jw religion.
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BroMac
@steve2
it depends on the cobe who does the announcements if an elder has stepped aside or is removed then technically it is the same announcement: brother nogood is no longer serving as an elder of the _____ congregation.
so that everyone doesn't get the wrong idea I have heard on a few occasions where they are then thanked for the years they have been serving the brothers etc.
