i didn't know the Atlantic used to be land locked. seperating the Gulf Stream. interesting stuff.
BroMac
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The Flood - ? So how did kangaroos get to Australia? How come they are no where else?
by BroMac in*** w62 1/15 p. 64 questions from readers ***.
questions from readers.
how can we account for animals in isolated lands when the flood is said to have covered all the earth and the only land animals that survived were those in the ark?p.
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The Flood - ? So how did kangaroos get to Australia? How come they are no where else?
by BroMac in*** w62 1/15 p. 64 questions from readers ***.
questions from readers.
how can we account for animals in isolated lands when the flood is said to have covered all the earth and the only land animals that survived were those in the ark?p.
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ah! sizemik... not another article taken out of context... surely not!
thanks for the link.
also i should have known to do a search first (Billy)...
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The Flood - ? So how did kangaroos get to Australia? How come they are no where else?
by BroMac in*** w62 1/15 p. 64 questions from readers ***.
questions from readers.
how can we account for animals in isolated lands when the flood is said to have covered all the earth and the only land animals that survived were those in the ark?p.
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Thanks all for the replys. it really is causing me a bit of trouble this whole flood thing.
another Q i have is how many humans were possibly living in noah's day and over what area would it cover.
WT says it wasn't until Nimrod and that whole Babel business when people actually started to create nationalities/countries?
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Genesis 6:4 - where did the Giants come from if they were wiped out by the flood?
by BroMac in(genesis 6:1-4) 6 now it came about that when men started to grow in numbers on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, 2 then the sons of the [true] god began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose.
3 after that jehovah said: my spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh.
accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.
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(Genesis 6:1-4) 6 Now it came about that when men started to grow in numbers on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, 2 then the sons of the [true] God began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose. 3 After that Jehovah said: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Neph′i·lim proved to be in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the [true] God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame.
does this mean that the other spies did actually see giants? and was not a false report after all? *** it-2 p. 493 Nephilim *** A Report Intended to Terrorize The ten spies who brought back to the Israelites in the wilderness a false report on the land of Canaan declared: “All the people whom we saw in the midst of it are men of extraordinary size. And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who are from the Nephilim; so that we became in our own eyes like grasshoppers, and the same way we became in their eyes.” No doubt there were some large men in Canaan, as other scriptures show, but never except in this “bad report,” which was carefully couched in language designed to strike terror and cause panic among the Israelites, are they called Nephilim.—Nu 13:31-33; 14:36, 37. just large men? what about Goliath.. he had a brother called Lahmi apparently - was he 9ft.5in too? so if the Nephilim were the result of Angels getting it on with the lady's, did they get it on again after the flood? puzzled. -
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The Flood - ? So how did kangaroos get to Australia? How come they are no where else?
by BroMac in*** w62 1/15 p. 64 questions from readers ***.
questions from readers.
how can we account for animals in isolated lands when the flood is said to have covered all the earth and the only land animals that survived were those in the ark?p.
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*** w62 1/15 p. 64 Questions From Readers ***
Questions From Readers
? How can we account for animals in isolated lands when the Flood is said to have covered all the earth and the only land animals that survived were those in the ark?—P. G., England.
The presence of certain forms of animal life on Australia and New Zealand, for example, is no valid argument against the Bible account that all life on earth was wiped out in the Flood, except that of Noah and those with him in the ark. How might these animals have migrated from Mount Ararat, where the ark landed, to other continents and to islands? By means of land ridges. Oceanographic studies reported on by Dr. René Malaise and published in the Swedish geographical magazine, Ymer, tell of findings that indicate that there was once a “Mid-Atlantic Ridge,” crossing that ocean above the surface. (New York Times, September 23, 1956) It is possible that there were also other ridges, and animals could have migrated by means of these before such ridges sank below the surface of the ocean.
Nor is that the only possible explanation. Other oceanographic studies have turned up evidence that once there existed a huge South Pacific continent that took in Australia and many of the South Sea isles. If such was the case, then, of course, the animals had no difficulty in migrating to those lands.
Doesn't make sense to me.
what about the "water canopy" that was supposed to be above the earth ? is that true?
*** w68 7/15 pp. 419-421 Was There an Earthwide Flood? ***
SOURCE OF THE WATERS
Obviously the source of the floodwaters was not the moisture that is ordinarily found in the atmosphere today. For it has been estimated that if all the atmospheric water were suddenly released as rain, it would cover the earth’s surface only to an average depth of less than two inches. There must be another explanation, then, for all this water, and the Bible gives it.
In its brief account of creation the Bible says regarding the forming of earth’s atmosphere: “And God went on to say: ‘Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.’ Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse.”—Gen. 1:6, 7.
The waters “beneath” the atmospheric “expanse” were the waters on the surface of the earth. Whereas, “the waters . . . above the expanse” were vast quantities of moisture suspended high above the earth, evidently in the form of a heavy vapor. These waters surrounded our earth in its earlier history.
Regarding the possibility of the existence of such suspended waters, the book The Genesis Flood (1961), by John C. Whitcomb, Jr., and Henry M. Morris, observes:
“The region above about 80 miles is very hot, over 100° F and possibly rising to 3000° F, and is in fact called the thermosphere for this reason. High temperature, of course, is the chief requisite for retaining a large quantity of water vapor. Furthermore, it is known that water vapor is substantially lighter than air and most of the other gases making up the atmosphere. There is thus nothing physically impossible about the concept of a vast thermal vapor blanket once existing in the upper atmosphere.”
However, the exact height and the way in which the waters were held above the earth cannot be known by us with certainty. But we do know that it was to these suspended waters that the Christian apostle Peter referred when writing under God’s inspiration about the Noachian flood. He explains that there was “an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water,” and that “by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water.”—2 Pet. 3:5, 6.
The earth in the pre-Flood days was “out of water” in the sense that the ground on which men lived and walked stood above the waters of the seas and rivers. Yet, it was “in the midst of water,” since a vast quantity of it surrounded the earth, suspended far above its surface.
“But,” a person might observe, “such a canopy of water suspended above the earth would greatly affect earth’s climate.”
Indeed it would! The light and heat rays from the sun would be diffused by the vapor canopy, while this vast canopy would prevent heat from escaping. Such a “greenhouse effect” would thus produce a milder, more uniform climate earth wide. Biologist Harold K. Blum explained this effect of water vapor upon climate, saying:
“Just as the warm glass of the greenhouse tends to raise the temperature of the interior, the water vapor tends to raise that of the earth’s surface below it. This surface, or any object on it, is constantly exchanging radiation with the water vapor in the atmosphere, so the temperature of the surface is closely dependent upon the amount and temperature of this vapor.”
That earth’s climate was uniformly warm at one time is commonly recognized. In an article concerning dinosaurs, Scientific Monthly of August 1949 observed:
“In those days the earth had a tropical or sub-tropical climate over much of its land surface, and in the widespread tropical lands there was an abundance of lush vegetation. The land was low and there were no high mountains forming physical or climatic barriers.”
Of the now-frigid Antarctic continent the French magazine Science et Vie, in its July 1966 issue, said:
“This inhuman land, this desert of ice, was once a green land where streams flowed among flowers, where birds sang in the trees.”
According to this source, at least sixty-one kinds of plants then grew in Antarctica.
How consistent, therefore, is the Bible’s explanation that there was a suspended mass of water above the earth in man’s early history! This water vapor would have created the uniformly warm climate that is known to have once existed earth wide. And it was the unleashing of this tremendous reservoir of water, and not simply a severe rainfall, that caused the global deluge. Note how the Bible shows this in its description of the Flood:
“All the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And the downpour upon the earth went on for forty days and forty nights.”—Gen. 7:11, 12
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Jehovahs Witnesses and the Memorial of Christs Death
by Greybeard inhave you ever been invited to someones home for dinner, but not eaten any of the food?
only sat there and watched them eat?
what purpose would that serve?
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thanks Greybeard i enjoyed that
john 6:53-58 has been causing me alot of problems. it pains me. when i read it i cant ignore jesus words. but i have no feeling or longing for a heavenly life and immortality.
my hope at this time is for the 'everlasting life' that jesus speaks of in john 6:53-58 - but on earth.
by not partaking at the memorial as i play it out in my mind, would be nothing other than a rejection of the ransom.
i know that my viewpoint at this time is still a JW hybrid.
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Ron Paul from the top rope!
by Diest ini hate his social views, but thats not what will bring this country to its knees.
his new ad really has me thinking.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkfus6gfxpy.
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BroMac
that sounds like something Andrew Napolitano would say. i like him.
What if?
Imagine
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Does anyone know about Monsanto?
by Amelia Ashton ini was sent a petition stop supermarkets here in uk from selling products supplied by a company called monsanto.
i have never heard of them so i googled them and there doesn't seem to be anything good being said.
should we be worried over here?.
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also Asda took it out of the 'good for you' range and the company who makes it sued them
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Does anyone know about Monsanto?
by Amelia Ashton ini was sent a petition stop supermarkets here in uk from selling products supplied by a company called monsanto.
i have never heard of them so i googled them and there doesn't seem to be anything good being said.
should we be worried over here?.
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BroMac
You might want to look at Aspartame while your on it. Poison. it's a sweetner in almost everything that is sugar free. and now is in products like fizzy drinks that are not even diet.
Splenda does not contain Aspartame
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Grace vs. Undeserved Kindness
by bats in the belfry injust doing some research on the wt lib cd - - wow, the balls these people have is just unbearable.. .
is not the new world translation of the christian greek scriptures verbose, for instance, in using catches sight of for sees at 1 john 5:16 and undeserved kindness for grace?j.
s., united states.. .
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In 1 Jo 5:16, the word "horaw" is used in the aorist tense, and in the subjunctive mood. The main thrust of the subjunctive is to indicate that the action of the verb is possible, depending on contextual nuances, [hence our English "might" "should" "could" etc], but in main clauses or in purpose clauses, then the action does take on a more definite nuance. Thus in the aor subj, the emphasis should be on the mood of the verb, rather than the punctiliar or single action usage.
It's all Greek to me! I dont understand a word of it....
As far as ""undeserved kindness" is concerned, it is not necessarily wrong, but may not capture the entire range of meaning inherent in the word. It does not necessarily point to God's "kindness" or even that it is "undeserved". It is a word of blessing based on the immutable characteristic of God's love. Hence it is better translated as "favour", and God's favour is not undeserved so much as it is unmerited, or unearned. We cannot earn the favour or blessing of God, it is a free gift. Hence if one feels the need to unpack the term "Grace" which is perfectly adequate to express the Greek, then "unmerited favour" is probably better.
Thats better..nicely explained. thankyou its a concept i'm not familiar with.