The idea that a pet can become a god to a "true Christian" is nothing new. Articles have been cited here that are at least 40 years old but the WBT$ taught that ANYTHING and ANYONE who is loved as much as Jehovah has become your GOD long before that. My parents were taught by the Rutherford Bible and Tract Society. Thay had contempt for pets and the people who loved them, saying those ones were "weak in the faith". When I demonstrated that I parented my children with love instead of the way I was raised, my mother and aunt said I had made GODS out of my children!!! Good JWs are robots without natural affection. Mission accomplished.
Posts by 3rdgen
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by Rattigan350 ini"m listening to the 2013 dc green bay saturday talk on false gods.. the speaker says no one would knowingly worship false deities.
but could we inadvertantly give jehovah less than exclusive devotion he deserves.. he said:you have not allowed this deception power of sin to sensual desires, material comforts, pets, technology, entertainment or food to become objects of devotion to you.. anything that interferes with our spiriutal routine has the power of eroding or weaking our relationship with jehovah.. .
my dogs can erode my relationship with jehovah.
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How many JWs are genuinely in "good standing"?
by slimboyfat inan interesting question arose from my earlier thread:.
we all know that many jws do stuff that would get them disfellowshipped, but never get caught.
but how many jws do you think there really are who have never kept any disfellowshipping "offense" secret?
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3rdgen
Another aspect of this question would be how long ago the infraction was committed. Elders who manage to keep their "sin" secret for at least 2 years are home free and can remain in their position. So they are genuinely in good standing according to the convoluted Dub rules. If the 2 year rule applies to the RandF then many could say they genuinely are in good standing as well. If the question becomes How many Jw's have done somthing that POSSIBLY could result in DFing? then IMHO close to 100%
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What constitutes 'proof' on JWN?
by besty inrecently there have been a few threads where claims have been made alledging personal negative effects in 'real life' following internet activity on jwn and other ex-jw related sites.
discussion then ensues, aspects of which may include 3rd parties either disputing the truth or affirming the likelihood of the claim.
questions are asked.
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I apologise for going off topic here but........ Ive had a particularly stressful week. When I read this thread I thought it was much ado about nothing. However, SBF, made me LOL with his comment about nattering on and hip bloody horray. HAhahaha. thanks for lifting my mood!
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Old 1920's watchtower about people flying in 'the new system?'
by Joliette ini can remember some people on here talking about this, but i can seem to find the post?
any other weird articles from the 20's?.
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The most outragous to me is the assertion made that dark skinned people would eventually turn white in the new world. Can you imagine!!!??? What a crackpot Rutherford was! If I had known that was a JW belief at one time I never would have been baptized. Sorry i don't have the link for you.
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JW couple die 1 day apart after being married for 75 years!
by ohiocowboy inplus, they were born on the same day in 1918!.
jw or not, it's nice to read about how much people can love each other for so many years!!!.
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_23733256/long-time-long-beach-couple-die-day-apart?source=rss_viewed.
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OC, thanks for the story. I would love to see a wedding picture of these two. I'll bet they looked like movie stars! I've said this before, and I'll say it again, many JWs are lovely loving people who are simply deceived. This couple appears to be that kind. My grandparents were married almost 70 years. They died within 6mos of each other. My theory is that aside from both being old, very long married couples die within a short period of time because they simply loose the will to live once the other has died.
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Crazy JW chaperon Stories
by superman inthe jw's must not trust their members or at least don't have too much faith in them when it comes to being alone around member of the opposite sex.
i can remember one time in particular from when i was a teenager that still makes me laugh today.. when i was younger i used to go out in service on a regular basis during the week when i had summer break.
one time when i met for service there were only two other people that showed up.
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I totally agree that the borg is OBSESSED with sex. I started dating in the late 60's before the emphasis of dating being only for marriage and the admonition of chaperones. I dated a handful of guys aged 16-21. We went to witness parties, picnics, all day outings on the beach, out to dinner, movies etc. The only chaperones were at the parties. Yes, we spent some time making out but I was a virgin when I married and so were my boyfriends. HOWEVER, I married at 17 because my boyfriend wanted to have sex and there was no other acceptable way. Fast forward 30 years. I am a scripturely free woman in my late 40's. An Elder wants to have a cup of coffee with me but we can't because my divorce was held up and not yet final! After it was final he bought me a hamberger at the CA. The whole cong was buzzing that we were a couple........because of ONE HAMBERGER????!!!! We couldn't sit together at the meetings until we were engaged.....wtf? What is anyone going to do in their seats at the KH? And how would being engaged change anything that happens in your seat? Ridiculous Idiotic cult!!!!
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"Worldly people don't love the same as Jehovah's Witnesses"
by Comatose inin a conversation with my mum she said, "son the friends love you and care about you so much.
they would die for you.
that's something you don't find in the world.
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One of the situations that woke us up to TTATT was the situation with my son. Very long story short: Son(in mid teens) leaves my home, moves in with ex JW father when Elder hubby and I marry. Son leaves father, goes off to college and decides he wants to study to be a JW. Being active JWs at the time we are thrilled and try to arrange for a study- NOBODY would do it. Son graduates, moves in with us and again we try to get someone to study with him. NOT ONE Elder or MS would do it. Hubby studys with stepson but there is friction. Son has accident and dies. All show up at the funeral home (wouldn't let us use KH) Hubby asks for help with some chores. NOBODY would help!!! ALL hubby's and my family are JWs. NOT ONE would help. So much for JW love.
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How does TTATT affect your marriage??
by Crazyguy injust wondering of those of you that have left or are fading and have married ones still in, how is it going, is there hope or is the marriage doomed?
wondering what are the percentages.
i'm fading fast but wife is zealous as ever and we don't talk spiritual things at all anymore.
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The is a reason for the legal term " irreconcilable differences." Sometimes all the kings horses and all the kings men can't put the marriage back together again. Then it becomes best to make a clean break and try to shed the bitterness and be open to a new (*usually better) relationship. My 1st husband was Dfed twice while i was still a true believer. He had once been an elder but over time became a non believer. I admit i lost respect for him over it. However, it was the repeted adultry that actually ruined the marriage. Still we went to a marriage councilor to see if our shattered marriage could be saved. Nope! But I could sleep at night knowing every effort was made. Marriage councilors (contrary to the Watchtower) are helpful and actually strive to help save marriages where possible. If not, they help you leave without guilt and less anger.
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JW family trying to compensate for us being "spiritually weak" through increased activity
by cedars inhi folks.
one of the things that has been most frustrating for my wife and i since beginning our fade as been the way certain family members have responded by ramping up their own involvement in the organization seemingly in a bizarre attempt to compensate for our lack of activity.. close relatives who were once doing precious little study and weren't going out of their way to attend meetings or go on the ministry are now studying every morning and busting a gut to attend "theocratic" arrangements.. it makes no sense to me, because salvation is supposed to be based on the beliefs and actions of each individual, not on those of his or her loved ones.
just what is the logic by which they think they can make things better by doing more themselves?.
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An additional thought...... The WBT$ repetedly asserts that study (of THEIR publications), meetings, and field service are the way to keep oneself "strong in the troof" In a way they are right. That busywork usually makes a person too busy and tired to research or even think. It keeps one in almost a hypnotic state where opposing thoughts (no matter how reasonable) simply cant penetrate.
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JW family trying to compensate for us being "spiritually weak" through increased activity
by cedars inhi folks.
one of the things that has been most frustrating for my wife and i since beginning our fade as been the way certain family members have responded by ramping up their own involvement in the organization seemingly in a bizarre attempt to compensate for our lack of activity.. close relatives who were once doing precious little study and weren't going out of their way to attend meetings or go on the ministry are now studying every morning and busting a gut to attend "theocratic" arrangements.. it makes no sense to me, because salvation is supposed to be based on the beliefs and actions of each individual, not on those of his or her loved ones.
just what is the logic by which they think they can make things better by doing more themselves?.
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Julia O, beat me to the comment. This increased activity is born of FEAR. The WTBT$ pounds fear into it's followers. Not only does the friend or realitive fear they could also "succumb to Satans designs", they want to set a "Good example" for the wayward loved one to hopefully imitate.