i think i've seen it all now.
nothing surprises me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpfzs7l_3sq.
When I was a little kid in the '50s there was a choir that sang between sessions at the DCs. I really enjoyed seeing and hearing their performances and looked forward to the day I would be old enough to join.
Well, just my luck the choir thing was scrapped. Next on the chopping block was the orchestra then eventually the piano players. The Watchtower has changed its mind on live music almost as much as it has on doctrines.
how much do they get for their 120 hours of door banging?
before i get the "no it was not, because god does not exist and this is a writing of man", i am directing this discussion to those that either still believe, or need as many tools as possible to talk to a family member still in.. the purpose of my posting is to discuss what i believe to be a mistake on this book or, in the other hand, be corrected if i am not getting the entire picture.. in the book, chapter 19 "god's wisdon in a sacred secret", paragraph 10, it reads.... 10 second, the law thoroughly demonstrated mankinds need for a ransom.
a perfect law, it exposed the inability of sinful humans to adhere to it fully.
compare this with hebrews 7:11-12. jesus a priest like melchizedek11now if perfection was through the levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of aaron?
When I was still a believer my answer would have been the Law was perfect in itself but could not provide everlasting life to its followers. Jesus ransom "bought out" that covenant/contract with his perfect life and in addition added the bonus of eternal life.
i'm looking for some clever comebacks.
i really don't care that i am an apostate, but would like to deliver a quick comeback or two to perhaps make the other person think.
any suggestions most welcome.
Outlaw, LOL
When I was accused I answered, "The Bible says 'Do not put your trust in nobles or earthling man.' I don't anymore."
i have read the site with great interest over the last few weeks.
some interesting stuff thats for sure.. i have left the jehovah's witnesses (was almost going to say the 'truth') for some time now.
i was one of the lucky ones that was baptised then faded, no humiliating disfellowshipping but nonetheless was very hard to get myself out.
Welcome! I like your user name. When I was very young WTBT$ regularly accused Christendom of "watering down" the Truth from the Bible and bragged they did not and never would. Hahaha!
there are many things wrong with the world, many injustices and crimes committed.
what if we could stop one of them?
wouldn't it make the world a slightly better place?
@Sir Talon and the rest of the typing police,
There is no emoticon on this site for tearing my hair out !!!!!! For nearly 6 decades WT made the rules for me so now that I can exercise free will I feel rebellious?????!!!!! (I'll type the way I please, youse guy'es don't have to read it) Actually, It's because Armageddon was soooo close I never learned to properly type so cut us SOME slack.......................
there are many things wrong with the world, many injustices and crimes committed.
what if we could stop one of them?
wouldn't it make the world a slightly better place?
Uh oh!
I'm not only an old fartess but a rotten typist as well. Puleeeese forgive.
some quick updates, mostly cosmetic:.
the message sending form should display better feedback of why a message is invalid (which will prevent the send button becoming active).. if your status is telling you that you have unread messages then you should see an option in the 'inbox' page to reset the count / mark all messages read.
just press it once, be patient - marking the actual messages is done in the background.. the topic and post counts are being updated - some will still be incorrect while it processes the data but after that should be correct.
Thanks Simon, My unread messages problem is now fixed!
im not an attorney and i could not record the hearing, so please forgive me if i make mistakes in relating what i remember of the oral argument hearing for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society on january 14, 2015 and the length of this post.. i arrived at the civic center/union plaza in san francisco, ca about 7:30. the area is very nice with a few homeless people sleeping in the park across from the courthouse.
it took me about 10 minutes to find the clerks office for the court on the first floor, which opened at 8:00.. once the clerks office opened, the two clerks who i talked with were very polite and helpful.
the arguments for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society were scheduled 5th out of (i think) 8. while i was in the office a cameraman and another person for nbc arrived asking about the hearing for candace contis case.. the courtroom for the 1st appellate court is on the 4th floor and takes up most of that floor.
i've been reading many of the postings on this forum for a couplefew years, finally joined today.
i think reading cappytan, and others like that, compelled me to share, it seems i might have a bit of a different outcome than many i have read, perhaps it will be hopeful/helpful to someone.. i was a born-in, 3rd gen jw, my entire family (parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, and most all of my childhood friends) were in.
some dropped by the wayside as the years went on, but many stayed in, and if they didn't, they still acted/talked as if they believed it was "the truth" and it was their weaknesses/failings that made them stop attending.
